In Defense of C++

This is a good article but it only scratches the surface, as is always the case when it comes to C++.

When I made a meme about C++ [1] I was purposeful in choosing the iceberg format. To me it's not quite satisfying to say that C++ is merely complex or vast. A more fitting word would be "arcane", "monumental" or "titanic" (get it?). There's a specific feeling you get when you're trying to understand what the hell is an xvalue, why std::move doesn't move or why std::remove doesn't remove.

The Forest Gump C++ is another meme that captures this feeling very well (not by me) [2].

What it comes down to is developer experience (DX), and C++ has a terrible one. Down to syntax and all the way up to package management a C++ developper feels stuck to a time before they were born. At least we have a lot of time to think about all that while our code compiles. But that might just be the price for all the power it gives you.

[1] https://victorpoughon.github.io/cppiceberg/

[2] https://mikelui.io/img/c++_init_forest.gif

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> in C++, you can write perfectly fine code without ever needing to worry about the more complex features of the language. You can write simple, readable, and maintainable code in C++ without ever needing to use templates, operator overloading, or any of the other more advanced features of the language.

This... doesn't really hold water. You have to learn about what the insane move semantics are (and the syntax for move ctors/operators) to do fairly basic things with the language. Overloaded operators like operator*() and operator<<() are widely used in the standard library so you're forced to understand what craziness they're doing under the hood. Basic standard library datatypes like std::vector use templates, so you're debugging template instantiation issues whether you write your own templated code or not.

"you can write perfectly fine code without ever needing to worry about the more complex features of the language. You can write simple, readable, and maintainable code in C++ without ever needing to use templates, operator overloading, or any of the other more advanced features of the language."

You could also inherit a massive codebase old enough to need a prostate exam that was written by many people who wanted to prove just how much of the language spec they could use.

If selecting a job mostly under the Veil of Ignorance, I'll take a large legacy C project over C++ any day.

A pet peeve of mine is when people claim C++ is a superset of C. It really isn't. There's a lot of little nuanced differences that can bite you.

Ignore the fact that having more keywords in C++ precludes the legality of some C code being C++. (`int class;`)

void * implicit casting in C just works, but in C++ it must be an explicit cast (which is kind of funny considering all the confusing implicit behavior in C++).

C++20 does have C11's designated initialization now, which helps in some cases, but that was a pain for a long time.

enums and conversion between integers is very strict in C++.

`char * message = "Hello"` is valid C but not C++ (since you cannot mutate the pointed to string, it must be `const` in C++)

C99 introduced variadic macros that didn't become standard C++ until 2011.

C doesn't allow for empty structs. You can do it in C++, but sizeof(EmptyStruct) is 1. And if C lets you get away with it in some compilers, I'll bet it's 0.

Anyway, all of these things and likely more can ruin your party if you think you're going to compile C code with a C++ compiler.

Also don't forget if you want code to be C callable in C++ you have to use `extern "C"` wrappers.

> You can write simple and readable code in C++ if you want to. You can also write complex and unreadable code in C++ if you want to. It’s all about personal or team preference.

Problem is, if you’re using C++ for anything serious, like the aforementioned game development, you will almost certainly have to use the existing libraries; so you’re forced to match whatever coding style they chose to use for their codebase. And in the case of Unreal, the advice “stick to the STL” also has to be thrown out since Unreal doesn’t use the STL at all. If you could use vanilla, by-the-books C++ all the time, it’d be fine, but I feel like that’s quite rare in practice.

When it comes to programming, I generally decide my thoughts based on pain-in-my-ass levels. If I constantly have to fiddle with something to get it working, if it's fragile, if it frequently becomes a pain point - then it's not great.

And out of all the tools and architecture I work with, C++ has been some of the least problematic. The STL is well-formed and easy to work with, creating user-defined types is easy, it's fast, and generally it has few issues when deploying. If there's something I need, there's a very high chance a C or C++ library exists to do what I need. Even crossing multiple major compiler versions doesn't seem to break anything, with rare exceptions.

The biggest problem I have with C++ is how easy it is to get very long compile times, and how hard it feels like it is to analyze and fix that on a 'macro' (whole project) level. I waste ungodly amounts of time compiling. I swear I'm going to be on deaths door and see GCC running as my life flashes by.

Some others that have been not-so-nice:

* Python - Slow enough to be a bottleneck semi-frequently, hard to debug especially in a cross-language environment, frequently has library/deployment/initialization problems, and I find it generally hard to read because of the lack of types, significant whitespace, and that I can't easily jump with an IDE to see who owns what data. Also pip is demon spawn. I never want to see another Wheel error until the day I die.

* VSC's IntelliSense - My god IntelliSense is picky. Having to manually specify every goddamn macro, one at a time in two different locations just to get it to stop breaking down is a nightmare. I wish it were more tolerant of having incomplete information, instead of just shutting down completely.

* Fortran - It could just be me, but IDEs struggle with it. If you have any global data it may as well not exist as far as the IDE is concerned, which makes dealing with such projects very hard.

* CMake - I'm amazed it works at all. It looks great for simple toy projects and has the power to handle larger projects, but it seems to quickly become an ungodly mess of strange comments and rules that aren't spelled out - and you have no way of stepping into it and seeing what it's doing. I try to touch it as infrequently as possible. It feels like C macros, in a bad way.

Great article. Modern C++ has come a really long way. I think lots of people have no idea about the newer features of the standard library and how much they minimize footguns.

C++ will always stay relevant. Software has eaten the world. That transition is almost complete now. The languages that were around when it happened will stay deeply embedded in our fundamental tech stacks for another couple decades at least, if not centuries. And C and C++ are the lion's share of that.

COBOL sticks around 66 years after its first release. Fortran is 68 years old and is still enormously relevant. Much, much more software was written in newer languages and has become so complex that replacements have become practically impossible (Fuchsia hasn't replaces Linux in Google products, wayland isn't ready to replace X11 etc)

> Here’s a rule of thumb I like to follow for C++: make it look as much like C as you possibly can, and avoid using too many advanced features of the language unless you really need to.

Also, avoid using C++ classes while you're at it.

I recently had to go back to writing C++ professionally after a many-year hiatus. We code in C++23, and I got a book to refresh me on the basics as well as all the new features.

And man, doing OO in C++ just plain sucks. Needing to know things like copy and swap, and the Rule of Three/Five/Zero. Unless you're doing trivial things with classes, you'll need to know these things. At which point you might as well stick to structs.

Now I'll grant C++23 is much nicer than C++03 (just import std!) I was so happy to hear about optional, only to find out how fairly useless it is compared to pretty much every language that has implemented a "Maybe" type. Why add the feature if the compiler is not going to protect you from dereferencing without checking?

Good article overall. There's one part I don't really agree with:

> Here’s a rule of thumb I like to follow for C++: make it look as much like C as you possibly can, and avoid using too many advanced features of the language unless you really need to.

This has me scratching my head a bit. In spite of C++ being nearly a superset of C, they are very different languages, and idiomatic C++ doesn't look very much like C. In fact, I'd argue that most of the stuff C++ adds to C allows you to write code that's much cleaner than the equivalent C code, if you use it the intended way. The one big exception I can think of is template metaprogramming, since the template code can be confusing, but if done well, the downstream code can be incredibly clean.

There's an even bigger problem with this recommendation, which is how it relates to something else talked about in the article, namely "safety." I agree with the author that modern C++ can be a safe language, with programmer discipline. C++ offers a very good discipline to avoid resource leaks of all kinds (not just memory leaks), called RAII [1]. The problem here is that C++ code that leverages RAII looks nothing like C.

Stepping back a bit, I feel there may be a more fundamental fallacy in this "C++ is Hard to Read" section in that the author seems to be saying that C++ can be hard to read for people who don't know the language well, and that this is a problem that should be addressed. This could be a little controversial, but in my opinion you shouldn't target your code to the level of programmers who don't know the language well. I think that's ultimately neither good for the code nor good for other programmers. I'm definitely not an expert on all the corners of C++, but I wouldn't avoid features I am familiar with just because other programmers might not be.

[1] https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/raii.html

When NIST released its summary judgement against C++ and other languages it deemed memory unsafe, the problem became less technical and more about politics and perception. If you're looking to work within two arms' length of the US Government, you have to consider the "written in C++" label seriously, regardless of how correct the code may be.

> Just using Rust will not magically make your application safe; it will just make it a lot harder to have memory leaks or safety issues.

You know, not sure I even agree with the memory leaks part. If you define a memory leak very narrowly as forgetting to free a pointer, this is correct. But in my experience working with many languages including C/C++, forgotten pointers are almost never the problem. You're gonna be dealing with issues involving "peaky" memory usage e.g. erroneously persistent references to objects or bursty memory allocation patterns. And these occur in all languages.

The safety part in this article is incorrect. There's a google doc somewhere where Google did an internal experiment and determined that safety c annot be achieved in C++ without an owning reference (essentially what Rust has).

> C++ is very old, in fact, it came out in 1985, to put it into perspective, that’s 4 years before the first version of Windows was released

Nitpick, I guess, but Windows 1.0 was released in November 1985:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_1.0

Is there anything new here? Aren't these the same talking points people have been making for the past few years?

I'm not sure what I feel about the article's point on boost. It does contribute a lot to the standard library and does provide some excellent libraries, like boost.Unordered

I write C++ daily and I really can't take seriously arguments how C++ is safe if you know what you're doing like come on. Any sufficiently large and complex codebases tend to have bugs and footguns and using tools like memory safe languages limit blast radius considerably.

Smart pointers are neat but they are not a solution for memory safety. Just using standard containers and iterators can lead to lots of footguns, or utils like string_view.

The author argues that if rewriting a C++ codebase in Rust makes it more memory-safe, that's not because Rust is memory-safe. What?

If there are as many typos in some code as are in the article, there would be a whole lot of segfaults, too

So Boost is dying off? Good to know.

A lot of this article boils down to "C++ is great... If you don't use most of the language"

What’s a good (ie: opinionated) code formatter and unit test framework for C++ these days?

I just had a PR on an old C++ project, and spending 8 years in the web ecosystem have raised the bar around tooling expectations.

Rust is particularly sweet to work with in that regard.

I am not sure C++ needs a defense. Especially after C++ 11 cleanup.

I think, if one of the most prominent C++ experts in the world(herb sutter), who chaired the C++ standards committee for 20+ years, who has evangelized the language for even longer than that - decides that complexity in the language has gotten out of control and sits down to write a simpler and safer dialect, then that is indicative of a problem with the language.

My viewpoint on the language is that there are certain types of engineers who thrive in the complexity that is easy to arrive at in a C++ code base. These engineers are undoubtedly very smart, but, I think, lack a sense of aesthetics that I can never get past. Basically, the r/atbge of programming languages (Awful Taste But Great Execution).

"Rust shines in new projects where safety is the priority, while C++ continues to dominate legacy systems and performance-critical domains."

the truth

Terrible article.

> you can write perfectly fine code without ever needing to worry about the more complex features of the language

Not really because of undefined behaviour. You must be aware of and vigilant about the complexities of C++ because the compiler will not tell you when you get it wrong.

I would argue that Rust is at least in the same complexity league as C++. But it doesn't matter because you don't need to remember that complexity to write code that works properly (almost all of the time anyway, there are some footguns in async Rust but it's nothing on C++).

> Now is [improved safety in Rust rewrites] because of Rust? I’d argue in some small part, yes. However, I think the biggest factor is that any rewrite of an existing codebase is going to yield better results than the original codebase.

A factor, sure. The biggest? Doubtful. It isn't only Rust's safety that helps here, it's its excellent type system.

> But here’s the thing: all programming languages are unsafe if you don’t know what you’re doing.

Somehow managed to fit two fallacies in one sentence!

1. The fallacy of the grey - no language is perfect therefore they are all the same.

2. "I don't make mistakes."

> Just using Rust will not magically make your application safe; it will just make it a lot harder to have memory leaks or safety issues.

Not true. As I said already Rust's very strong type system helps to make applications less buggy even ignoring memory safety bugs.

> Yes, C++ can be made safer; in fact, it can even be made memory safe. There are a number of libraries and tools available that can help make C++ code safer, such as smart pointers, static analysis tools, and memory sanitizers

lol

> Avoid boost like the plague.

Cool, so the ecosystem isn't confusing but you have to avoid one of the most popular libraries. And Boost is fine anyway. It has lots of quite high quality libraries, even if they do love templates too much.

> Unless you are writing a large and complex application that requires the specific features provided by Boost, you are better off using other libraries that are more modern and easier to use.

Uhuh what would you recommend instead of Boost ICL?

I guess it's a valiant attempt but this is basically "in defense of penny farthings" when the safety bicycle was invented.

Python’s “there should be one obvious way to do it” slogan often collides with reality these days too, since the language sprawled into multiple idioms just like C++: for printing you can use print("hi"), f-strings like f"hi {x}", .format(), % formatting, or concatenation with +; for loops you can iterate with for i in range(n), list comprehensions [f(i) for i in seq], generator expressions (f(i) for i in seq), or map/filter/lambda; unpacking can be done with a,b=pair, tuple() casting, slicing, *args capture, or dictionary unpacking with *; conditionals can be written with if/else blocks, one-line ternary x if cond else y, and/or short-circuit hacks, or pattern matching match/case; default values can come from dict.get(k,default), x or default, try/except, or setdefault; swapping variables can be done with a,b=b,a, with a temp var, with tuple packing/unpacking, or with simultaneous assignment; joining strings can be done with "".join(list), concatenation in a loop, reduce(operator.add, seq), or f-strings; reading files can be open().read(), iterating line by line with for line in f, using pathlib.Path.read_text(), or with open(...) as f; building lists can be done with append in a loop, comprehensions, list(map(...)), or unpacking with [*a,*b]; dictionaries can be merged with {*a,*b}, a|b (Python 3.9+), dict(a,*b), update(), or comprehensions; equality and membership checks can be ==, is, in, any(...), all(...), or chained comparisons; function arguments can be passed positionally, by name, unpacked with * and \*, or using functools.partial; iteration with indexes can be for i in range(len(seq)), for i,x in enumerate(seq), zip(range(n),seq), or itertools; multiple return values can be tuples, lists, dicts, namedtuples, dataclasses, or objects; even truthiness tests can be if x:, if bool(x):, if len(x):, or if x != []:. Whew!

I don't think there could be any purer of an expression of the Blub Paradox.

> Just use whatever parts of the language you like without worrying about what's most performant!

It's not about performant. It's about understanding someone else's code six months after they've been fired, and thus restricting what they can possibly have done. And about not being pervasively unsafe.

> "I don’t think C++ is outdated by any stretch of the imagination", "matter of personal taste".

Except of course for header files, forward declarations, Make, the true hell of C++ dependency management (there's an explicit exhortation not to use libraries near the bottom), a thousand little things like string literals actually being byte pointers no matter how thoroughly they're almost compatible with std::string, etc. And of course the pervasive unsafety. Yes, it sure was last updated in 2023, the number of ways of doing the same thing has been expanded from four to five but the module system still doesn't work.

> You can write unsafe code in Python! Rewriting always makes the code more safe whether it's in Rust or not!

No. Nobody who has actually used Rust can reasonably arrive at this opinion. You can write C++ code that is sound; Rust-fluent people often do. The design does not come naturally just because of the process of rewriting, this is an entirely ridiculous thing to claim. You will make the same sorts of mistakes you made writing it fresh, because you are doing the same thing as you were when writing it fresh. The Rust compiler tells you things you were not thinking of, and Rust-fluent people write sound C++ code because they have long since internalized these rules.

And the crack about Python is just stupid. When people say 'unsafe' and Rust in the same sentence, they are obviously talking about UB, which is a class of problem a cut above other kinds of bugs in its pervasiveness, exploitability, and ability to remain hidden from code review. It's 'just' memory safety that you're controlling, which according to Microsoft is 70% of all security related bugs. 70% is a lot! (plus thread safety, if this was not mentioned you know they have not bothered using Rust)

In fact the entire narrative of 'you'll get it better the second time' is nonsense, the software being rewritten was usually written for the first time by totally different people, and the rewriters weren't around for it or most of the bugfixes. They're all starting fresh, the development process is nearly the same as the original blank slate was - if they get it right with Rust, then Rust is an active ingredient in getting it right!

> Just use smart pointers!

Yes, let me spam angle brackets on every single last function. 'Write it the way you want to write it' is the first point in the article, and here is the exact 'write it this way' that was critiquing. And you realistically won't do it on every function so it is just a matter of time until one of the functions you use regular references with creates a problem.