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This shows just how low the salaries are in Germany. The salaries listed here, at 50k€/annual, were what I was making in 2012, when I entered Germany.

giancarlostoro · 1h ago

I'm really confused by one of the Germany listings that says in parenthesis "all genders" are jobs in Germany gender specific or something? I'm thinking maybe "Senior Software Engineer" is gendered in German or something. I speak Spanish, and there's a TON of words that are gendered, so I could understand if this is just a case of German being translated and something being non-obvious to me as a result.

syntonym2 · 1h ago

In german most job titles can either be masculine or feminine, and the masculine case is chosen "by default". Most job advertisements clarify that persons of all gender are welcome to apply. As the job advertisement is in english, it doesn't really make sense here.

rwl · 1h ago

Yes, that's what's going on: job titles are typically gendered in German, which leads to job ads being written in an awkward way to express gender neutrality. For example, "engineer" has both a masculine form "Ingenieur" and a feminine form "Ingenieurin", so a job ad might say something like "Ingenieur*in (m/w/d)" to mean "an engineer of any gender".

giancarlostoro · 1h ago

I think you kind of answered it "Ingenieur" and "Engineer" could be assumed to be roughly the same, so I could see the confusion there.

That trick with the asterisk reminds me of how in Spanish you'll see people using @ to do similar, @ being a place holder for two different possible letters specifically "o" and "a" which can be masculine or feminine depending.

This makes sense, thank you!

ahoka · 1h ago

They are just stupid, makes no sense in English to add that. In German it's something like: "Fireman wanted (not just men)"

fuzzy_biscuit · 3h ago

That got into 2024 postings fairly quickly. I don't get the sense that the data is very fresh or expansive.

em-bee · 2h ago

it is fresh, but it is certainly not expansive. there aren't many businesses that work with and produce FOSS exclusively. and for all others it would be hard to guarantee that you are going to work on FOSS most or all of the time, so i'd think that not to many jobs even qualify

47282847 · 2h ago

Feel free to crosspost if you come across interesting ones!

elAhmo · 3h ago

It is ridiculous to post a jobs listing side without salaries or salary ranges listed.

As people who want to work we should just reject using pages like this, as this favours only employers.

7bit · 3h ago

Unfortunately, that's normal in Germany and many listing are German. Fortunately, this fucking practice will be illegal in a little over 4 months.

sandreas · 2h ago

> Fortunately, this fucking practice will be illegal in a little over 4 months

could you elaborate?

mhitza · 50m ago

This EU directive will kick in which mandates (among other things) transparency for salaries

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/pay-transparency...

pabs3 · 2h ago

More resources for open source jobs on the FOSSjobs wiki:

https://github.com/fossjobs/fossjobs/wiki/resources

ramon156 · 2h ago

Is there something similar that's just about contributing to companies' open source software? I like helping out projects while also gaining some experience, but most FOSS software has a cookie-licking issue.

I've contributed to Tweede Golf before and that was a very pleasant experience, I can't imagine they're in the minority here.

ujkhsjkdhf234 · 13m ago

> but most FOSS software has a cookie-licking issue.

A what issue?

rendx · 4h ago

On Mastodon: https://floss.social/@fossjobs

eu · 4h ago

there aren’t many such jobs

ethanwillis · 4h ago

There's definitely a lot more I think but they just don't all get posted there. I know I've seen various FOSS jobs but they get posted or talked about in IRC, mailing lists for a specific project, etc.

But you're right to say there aren't a ton relative to non-FOSS jobs.

pabs3 · 2h ago

There are definitely a lot from big companies like Intel/AMD/RedHat, and some medium companies like Canonical. More on the FOSSjobs wiki.

https://github.com/fossjobs/fossjobs/wiki/resources

staticelf · 3h ago

"Senior Software Engineer (all genders) - Wikibase Suite"

wtf do they mean by "all genders"? Just write Senior Software Engineer, that is genderless by default?

general1726 · 2h ago

English is actually a weird language without genders in nouns. I.e. in Slavic languages you can say "male software engineer" with word "vyvojar" and "female software engineer" with a word "vyvojarka" and then lot of grammar is built atop of this fact.

Job listing are then trying to use something like "vyvojar/ka" to signify that both genders are sought for, but there is nothing like that in English, so you will get translation as "software engineer (all genders)" instead of using just "software engineer"

jamesnorden · 2h ago

fe/male perhaps

tom_ · 3h ago

The term is a gendered one in German. See also, e.g., https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14462318

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trenchpilgrim · 2h ago

It's a weird direct translation from German. The word for an SWE is gendered, but the postings clarify that the job is open to everyone.

ulfw · 3h ago

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