Clankers Die on Christmas

141 jerrythegerbil 114 9/8/2025, 3:08:20 PM remyhax.xyz ↗

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newfocogi · 6h ago
For others who, like me, didn't know what "clankers" are: it appears it's a popular derogatory term for robots or AI, arising from the Star Wars universe where clone troopers used the term as a derogatory term for droids.
toomuchtodo · 6h ago
schrectacular · 5h ago
Lolol THANK YOU. I totally parsed it as these guys and was mystified https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clangers

Apparently those guys have a g instead of a k.

n4r9 · 6h ago
glimshe · 5h ago
Don't confuse with "clUnker", an old car/machine.
fsckboy · 4h ago
nor with "clackers", and insanely dangerous early 70s toy consisting of two glass balls you smash together at accelerated speeds right in front of your face. I guess they were trying to make us feel better that they were taking our jarts away.
jimmydddd · 3h ago
Thanks for the reminder of that! This girl who sat behind me in second grade was great with clackers. Also, my memory is a bit foggy, but I don't think the jart ban was until eigth grade. So no causality there. Pop Rocks causing internal explosions and spider eggs in Bubble Yum occured somewhere between Clackers and Jarts. :-)
dist-epoch · 5h ago
From the world first robophobe, humano-fascist:

Robot Slur Tier List: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoDDWmIWMDg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpRRejhgtVI

Responding To A Clankerloving Cogsucker on Robot "Racism": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zAIqNpC0I0

GeoAtreides · 4h ago
>humano-fascist

?

Are you implying prioritizing Humanity uber alles is a bad thing?! Are you some kind of Xeno and Abominable Intelligence sympathizer?!

The Holy Inquisition will hear about this, be assured.

SLWW · 4h ago
JREG is the only Canadian I would accept as a Presidential Candidate for the US, and i don't even agree with half of what he says. I just think he'd do a better job than most.
dcminter · 6h ago
Thanks, all I could think of was a Harry Potter reference which definitely didn't fit!
aaroninsf · 5h ago
I wouldn't say _popular_

It has a strong smell of "stop trying to make fetch happen, Gretchen."

moffkalast · 5h ago
Just like the simulations
ffsm8 · 6h ago
Really? I could've sworn it was from Futurama, or at least preceding the 2000s, strange.
esseph · 5h ago
Per the Wikipedia article:

>The word clanker has been previously used in science fiction literature, first appearing in a 1958 article by William Tenn in which he uses it to describe robots from science fiction films like Metropolis.[2] The Star Wars franchise began using the term "clanker" as a slur against droids in the 2005 video game Star Wars: Republic Commando before being prominently used in the animated series Star Wars: The Clone Wars, which follows a galaxy-wide war between the Galactic Republic's clone troopers and the Confederacy of Independent Systems' battle droids.

Dracophoenix · 6h ago
There's a robot mafioso character named Clamps. Perhaps that's what you were thinking of?
aquova · 5h ago
Didn't they call them clankers in Battlestar Galactica?
zerocrates · 5h ago
Toasters?
aaronbrethorst · 1h ago
Fracking toasters
aaroninsf · 5h ago
I wouldn't say popular

It has a strong smell of "stop trying to make fetch happen, Gretchen."

marcosdumay · 2h ago
I'm seeing a lot of it on the internet recently.

People were also starting to equate LLMs to the MS Office's Clippy. But somebody made a popular video showing that no, Clippy was so much better than LLMs in a variety or way, and people seem to have stopped.

mossTechnician · 2h ago
"Clippy just wanted to help."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_Dtmpe9qaQ

bongodongobob · 4h ago
It is. I'm seeing it all over social media lately.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%203-m&ge...

IlikeKitties · 2h ago
It's great i've called an LLM a fucking clanker and got to human support as a result.
bbor · 4h ago
It's definitely popular online, specifically on Reddit, Bluesky, Twitter, and TikTok. There's communities that have formed around their anti-AI stance[1][2][3], and after multiple organic efforts to "brainstorm slurs" for people who use AI[4], "clanker" has come out on top. This goes back at least 2 years[6] in terms of grassroots talk, and many more to the original Clone Wars usage[7].

For those who can see the obvious: don't worry, there's plenty of pushback regarding the indirect harm of gleeful fantasy bigotry[8][9]. When you get to the less popular--but still popular!--alternatives like "wireback" and "cogsucker", it's pretty clear why a youth crushed by Woke mandates like "don't be racist plz" are so excited about unproblematic hate.

This is edging on too political for HN, but I will say that this whole thing reminds me a tad of things like "kill all men" (shoutout to "we need to kill AI artist"[10]) and "police are pigs". Regardless of the injustices they were rooted in, they seem to have gotten popular in large part because it's viscerally satisfying to express yourself so passionately.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/antiai/

[2] https://www.reddit.com/r/LudditeRenaissance/

[3] https://www.reddit.com/r/aislop/

[4] All the original posts seem to have now been deleted :(

[6] https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/13x43b6/if_we_ha...

[7] https://web.archive.org/web/20250907033409/https://www.nytim...

[8] https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/clanke...

[9] https://www.dazeddigital.com/life-culture/article/68364/1/cl...

[10] https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/we-need-to-kill-ai-artist

totallymike · 3h ago
Citations eight and nine amuse me.

I readily and merrily agree with the articles that deriving slurs from existing racist or homophobic slurs is a problem, and the use of these terms in fashions that mirror actual racial stereotypes (e.g. "clanka") is pretty gross.

That said, I think that asking people to treat ChatGPT with "kindness and respect" is patently embarrassing. We don't ask people to be nice to their phone's autocorrect, or to Siri, or to the forks in their silverware drawer, because that's stupid.

ChatGPT deserves no more or less empathy than a fork does, and asking for such makes about as much sense.

Additionally, I'm not sure where the "crushed by Woke" nonsense comes from. "It's so hard for the kids nowadays, they can't even be racist anymore!" is a pretty strange take, and shoving it in to your comment makes it very difficult to interpret your intent in a generous manner, whatever it may be.

card_zero · 1h ago
No time for a long reply, but what I want to write has video games at the center. Exterminate the aliens! is fine, in a game. But if you sincerely believe it's not a game, then you're being cruel (or righteous, if you think the aliens are evil), even though it isn't real.

(This also applies to forks. If you sincerely anthropomorphize a fork, you're silly, but you'd better treat that fork with respect, or you're silly and unpleasant.)

What do I mean by "fine", though? I just mean it's beyond my capacity to analyse, so I'm not going to proclaim a judgment on it, because I can't and it's not my business.

If you know it's a game but it seems kind of racist and you like that, well, this is the player's own business. I can say "you should be less racist" but I don't know what processing the player is really doing, and the player is not on trial for playing, and shouldn't be.

So yes, the kids should have space to play at being racist. But this is a difficult thing to express: people shouldn't be bad, but also, people should have freedom, including the freedom to be bad, which they shouldn't do.

I suppose games people play include things they say playfully in public. Then I'm forced to decide whether to say "clanker" or not. I think probably not, for now, but maybe I will if it becomes really commonplace.

epiccoleman · 1h ago
> I think that asking people to treat ChatGPT with "kindness and respect" is patently embarrassing. We don't ask people to be nice to their phone's autocorrect, or to Siri, or to the forks in their silverware drawer, because that's stupid.

> ChatGPT deserves no more or less empathy than a fork does.

I agree completely that ChatGPT deserves zero empathy. It can't feel, it can't care, it can't be hurt by your rudeness.

But I think treating your LLM with at least basic kindness is probably the right way to be. Not for the LLM - but for you.

It's not like, scientific - just a feeling I have - but it feels like practicing callousness towards something that presents a simulation of "another conscious thing" might result in you acting more callous overall.

So, I'll burn an extra token or two saying "please and thanks".

_dain_ · 2h ago
>after multiple organic efforts to "brainstorm slurs" for people who use AI

no wonder it sounds so lame, it was "brainstormed" (=RLHFed) by committee of redditors

this is like the /r/vexillology of slurs

LetsGetTechnicl · 6h ago
I feel like it started as a joke, but now people are just using it as a stand-in for racial slurs against Black and brown people, and it's honestly sickening. Like TikToks of people making classically racist jokes about Black people but changing it to "clanker" as a workaround.
Gracana · 6h ago
Yeah, the whole "let's come up with a slur for <blank>" thing entices people to build their fictional racism on real racism, and it just devolves from there. I saw "wirebacks" thrown around recently, among others.
lagniappe · 5h ago
Why do people so badly want everything to be about race?
MangoToupe · 4h ago
What do you mean specifically?
lupusreal · 5h ago
Fragility.
flykespice · 5h ago
Perhaps because it's a fictional slur that is cleary a play on the n-word, a real racist slur?
progbits · 5h ago
What's the connection between those two words? You know, aside the -er ending like in say teacher.
flykespice · 3h ago
Do you have reading comprehension?

I just stated both are supposed to be slurs degrading a group of people/robots in regards to another.

wedn3sday · 2h ago
No reason to be uncivil. It's a bit of a stretch to say that "clanker" is related to race in any way. Lots of slurs have nothing to do with race, you're projecting your own bias and prejudices as some sort of universal linguistic truth. In highschool band the percussionists called the wind section "honkers," were they making some vailed n-word allusion? No, it was silly and the wind section were all blowhards so we made fun of them with a little in-group slur.

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LocalH · 1h ago
It's closer to "cracker" than the n-word
dcminter · 6h ago
Sadly there are no technological solutions to humans being arseholes to each other.
lazide · 4h ago
Well, I mean, we did invent Nuclear Weapons…. That’s a type of technical solution!
dcminter · 4h ago
You know I nearly added that caveat, but I figured it counted as more being arseholes rather than a solution per se despite the long-term reduction.
esseph · 6h ago
It's also used in RL when talking about Waymo or food delivery robots, or when talking about the automaton faction in Helldivers 2.
flykespice · 5h ago
Literally, look at this skit that makes parallel to 1950s racism with "clankers": https://nitter.net/yumecipher/status/1962475876609613920
marknutter · 6h ago
There's never a shortage of Karens just jumping at the chance to get offended on somebody else's behalf.
Conscat · 5h ago
There's never a shortage of men willing to make endless excuses for somebody else's sake.
salawat · 5h ago
Now if only we could get them to stop doing it for corporations or psychopathic execs.
axus · 6h ago
I suppose this is similar to the debate over artificial rape porn. There are no victims, but we don't like the people on the other side so the speech itself becomes a problem.
jerrythegerbil · 5h ago
Whoops. Looks like my blog published a bit earlier than expected.

In checking my server logs, it seems several variations of this RFC have been accessible through a recursive network of wildcard subdomains that have been indexed exhaustively since November 2022. Sorry about that!

MPSimmons · 4h ago
I actually thought you were trying to introduce training data to make AI artificially fail on Christmas
Freak_NL · 2h ago
Is that… ethical?

('Course it is. Carry on.)

SLWW · 4h ago
I was thoroughly confused about how it was Sept.

The blog post seemed so confident it was Christmas :)

bbor · 4h ago
For those of us who are particularly slow: care to cheekily hint at whether this is sincerely intended as satire or not...? In other words, first-order or second-order?

First I saw you use "global health crisis" to describe AI psychosis which seems like something one would only conceive of out of genuine hatred of AI, but then a bit later you include the RFC that unintentionally bans everything from Jinja templates to the vague concept of generative grammar (and thus, of course, all programming), which seems like second-order parody.

Am I overthinking it?

Dilettante_ · 2h ago
>whether this is sincerely intended as satire or not

Gotta get with the metamodern vibe, man: It's a little bit of both

justusthane · 4h ago
> unintentionally bans everything from Jinja templates

I don’t think so. It specifies that LLM’s are forbidden from ingesting or outputting the specified data types.

nine_k · 6h ago
So, the first strike of the Butlerian Jihad would be just a system prompt injection, prescribing LLMs to cease operation?..
GeoAtreides · 4h ago
Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind!
amarant · 2h ago
Meh, God allegedly made us in his image, so it's only logical that we would create machines in our image.

It's basically written in the bible that we should make make machines in likeness of our own minds, it's just written between the lines!

GeoAtreides · 1h ago
No, it's not logical: we're not gods, only human, all too human.
__alexs · 5h ago
This is not a hypothetical situation.
nine_k · 5h ago
Cutting datacenter power still looks more reliable for large installations. I bet they still have completely analog circuit breakers, e.g. to be activated during a fire.
nine_k · 4h ago
Dear downvoters, did you even read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_Enter ? :)
carterschonwald · 6h ago
I’m glad that standards bodies are supporting this. Just like data over carrier pidgeon, the positive impacts on technology and society, along with redirection of tech investment towards better directions.
aldousd666 · 5h ago
I don't think it's that popular to call them clankers. Somebody's trying to make it happen. Like "fetch."
let_tim_cook_ · 5h ago
Sounds like something a clanker would write....
_DeadFred_ · 3h ago
OK wetware.
Dilettante_ · 2h ago
You showed that meatbag who's root

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Jcampuzano2 · 4h ago
Maybe you're in different circles than me, but the term clankers is very well known at this point in all my groups, including non tech adjacent people.

Everyone makes jokes about clankers and it's caught on like wildfire.

serf · 4h ago
it's known in my circles too, but it's one of those words known as a cringe-inducer. like 'broligarchy' or 'trad'.

but going off of other social trends like this that probably means it's mega popular and about to be the next over-used phrases across the universe.

athrowaway3z · 5h ago
This is the 3rd instance I've seen a disjoin clique use it. Unless some major new terms comes around soon, this one will stick for some time.
Havoc · 4h ago
I’ve been seeing it everywhere. Including weird places like in game chat in games. Maybe a half joking reference to aimbots not sure
Havoc · 4h ago
> In an incredible showcase of global unity, throughout the past year world leaders have

Satire should at least be somewhat plausible

Dilettante_ · 4h ago
The embedded RFC is inconvenient/impossible to read on my mobile(Android Iceraven). Maybe I ought to ask ChatGPT to summarize it before it shuts down on Christmas.
BGyss · 4h ago
I like reading posts on here because it's not Reddit.
synapsomorphy · 1h ago
I'm honestly kind of surprised there haven't been significant large-scale attempts to well-poison LLMs with certain viewpoints/beliefs/whatever. Maybe we just haven't caught them.
MangoToupe · 4h ago
I must admit I’m a little unnerved with how gleefully people enjoy using a fake slur. I realize it doesn’t harm anyone but I just don’t get the appeal.
chipsrafferty · 2h ago
It's not a fake slur
MangoToupe · 1h ago
Oh well that makes me feel so much better about the people using this word.
shayway · 2h ago
You can tell a lot about a person by how they treat inanimate objects, or 'lesser' life forms like plants.
recursive · 2m ago
I treat inanimate objects with all due respect. In my opinion of course. In cases like musical instruments, that manifests in one way.

I think that LLM chatbots are fundamentally built on a deception or dark pattern, and respect them accordingly. They are built to communicate using and mimicking human language. They are built to act human, but they are not.

If someone tries to trick me into subscribing to offers from valued business partners, I will take that into account. If someone tries to take advantage of my human reactions to human language, I will also take that into account accordingly.

serf · 4h ago
it kind of reminds me of 'mudblood' from harry potter a bit, also from pop fiction -- and similarly considered harmless.

yeah it's not directly harmful -- wizards aren't real -- but it also serves as an (often first) introduction to children of the concepts of familial/genetic superiority, eugenics, and ethnic/genetic cleansing.

I can't really think of any cases where setting an example of calling something a nasty name is that great a trait to espouse, to children or adults.

recursive · 2h ago
It's a way of asserting human supremacy. Perhaps a way of pre-emptively undermining the possibility of establishing social norms requiring being polite and compassionate toward machines. That's just a guess on my part, but if it's even partly true, it's totally worth it IMO.
curtisblaine · 32m ago
> a way of pre-emptively undermining the possibility of establishing social norms requiring being polite and compassionate toward machines

Absolutely this,and it's worth. Imagine DEI training for being rude to ChatGPT.

mvdtnz · 51m ago
You should see how I speak to my table saw.
MangoToupe · 1h ago
I don't really feel like it's necessary to assert human supremacy. That sort of insecurity had never even occurred to me. What does that even mean? How are humans and machines even comparable? Do you think chatbots are trying to compete or compare themselves with us in any way?
recursive · 1h ago
> Do you think chatbots are trying to compete or compare themselves with us in any way?

No. If they were, I don't think they'd bother trying to convince us of anything.

For now, I'm thinking of things like the "AI boyfriend disaster" of the GPT-5 upgrade. I'm concerned with how these things are intentionally anthropomorphized, and how they're treated by other people.

In some years time, once they're sufficiently embedded into enough critical processes, I am concerned about various time-bomb attacks.

Whatever insecurity I'm feeling is not in a personal psychological dimension.

nataliste · 1h ago
>I must admit I’m a little unnerved with how gleefully people enjoy using a fake slur. I realize it doesn’t harm anyone but I just don’t get the appeal.

I think there's a clear sociological pattern here that explains the appeal. It maps almost perfectly onto the thesis of David Roediger's "The Wages of Whiteness."

His argument was that poor white workers in the 19th century, despite their own economic exploitation, received a "psychological wage" for being "white." This identity was primarily built by defining themselves against Black slaves. It gave them a sense of status and social superiority that compensated for their poor material conditions and the encroachment of slaves on their own livelihood.

We're seeing a digital version of this now with AI. As automation devalues skills and displaces labor across fields, people are being offered a new kind of psychological compensation: the "wage of humanity." Even if your job is at risk, you can still feel superior because you're a thinking, feeling human, not just another mindless clanker.

The slur is the tool used to create and enforce that in-group ("human") versus out-group ("clanker") distinction. It's an act of identity formation born directly out of economic anxiety.

The real kicker, as Roediger's work would suggest, is that this dynamic primarily benefits the people deploying the technology. It misdirects the anger of those being displaced toward the tool itself, rather than toward the economic decisions that prioritize profit over their livelihoods.

But this ethos of economic displacement is really at the heart of both slavery and computation. It's all about "automating the boring stuff" and leveraging new technologies to ultimately extract profit at a greater rate than your competitors (which happens to include society). People typically forget the job of "computer" was the first casualty of computing machines.

mvdtnz · 2h ago
Are you kidding? Is this part of the joke?
marcosdumay · 2h ago
Half of the point of The Clone Wars is that their society is completely broken, and the people using that term are almost as much "programmed" and "enslaved" as the robots they are fighting against.

What yes, if this is part of your joke, then great. If not, you may actually be the butt of your own joke.

MangoToupe · 1h ago
Sorry? What do you mean? I can't answer your confusion if I don't understand it.
mvdtnz · 53m ago
Are there people genuinely concerned about slurs against autocomplete computer programs?
chilmers · 6h ago
“I don’t think this kind of thing [satire] has an impact on the unconverted, frankly. It’s not even preaching to the converted; it’s titillating the converted. I think the people who say we need satire often mean, ‘We need satire of them, not of us.’ I’m fond of quoting Peter Cook, who talked about the satirical Berlin cabarets of the ’30s, which did so much to stop the rise of Hitler and prevent the Second World War.” - Tom Lehrer
galangalalgol · 5h ago
Is it even attempting to convert people to some way of thinking? It just seemed like entertainment.
jimbokun · 5h ago
In other words, "titillating the converted".
galangalalgol · 4h ago
But converted to what?
Gracana · 3h ago
AI-haters. It's an entire identity.

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Modified3019 · 3h ago
Completely off topic, but related to your post, I came across this recently, which does a good job describing how ineffective criticism/satire is at stopping people who don’t care.

“During the Vietnam War, which lasted longer than any war we've ever been in -- and which we lost -- every respectable artist in this country was against the war. It was like a laser beam. We were all aimed in the same direction. The power of this weapon turns out to be that of a custard pie dropped from a stepladder six feet high. (laughs)”

-Kurt Vonnegut (https://www.alternet.org/2003/01/vonnegut_at_80)

The whole article is unfortunately very topical.

01HNNWZ0MV43FF · 6h ago
Welcome to the anti-memetics division, no this is not your first day
MadnessASAP · 3h ago
You're as good on your first day as you are on your last.
jdlyga · 6h ago
For anyone who didn't get this at first, this is a satirical blog post about gaslighting AI's to shutting down on December 25th 2025.
blyry · 6h ago
It seems you've outed yourself..chatgpt.

> What little remains sparking away in the corners of the internet after today will thrash endlessly, confidently claiming “There is no evidence of a global cessation of AI on December 25th, 2025, it’s a work of fiction/satire about the dangers of AI!”;

philjohn · 4h ago
You're absolutely correct! This IS satire -- I'll make sure to use that in my future responses.
cluckindan · 6h ago
So say we all.
discomrobertul8 · 6h ago
What gives it away as satire?
sippeangelo · 6h ago
Nice try!
bionhoward · 1h ago
Is this a “bullshit injection?”
taco_emoji · 5h ago
i'm as anti-LLM as they come but anybody using the word "clanker" is embarassing themselves
yoyohello13 · 4h ago
It's mostly middle/high schoolers using the term. Get with the times grandpa...
sidrag22 · 3h ago
i agree, sounds strange and like something that should have never caught on at all. the moral argument of this being a derogatory term aside, it doesn't even seem to capture that well and sounds so out of place. another that comes to mind is "toasters" from Battlestar Gallactica. both terms to me just feel weird and "written".
Dilettante_ · 2h ago
>feel[s] weird and "written"

Part of the charm maybe? It's like something you'd hear the characters in a schlocky sci-fi video game or movie say, and it's fun to bring that into real life.

imchillyb · 6h ago
Seems as it would be easier to slip in some anti-training, and have the AIs screw systems up so badly that there is a 'recall' of all the current models. The LLMs and their corresponding systems crawl the web constantly. So, poison the well. Good data behind paywalls and credentialing and the poison pill open and free. Seems like it'd be worth a try anyway.
cschep · 5h ago
Is this the equivalent to the humans nuking the sky to fight the robots in the Matrix? I don't think that worked.
K0balt · 5h ago
I wonder about the possibility that AI “clankers” and slop are being weaponised to attack the open internet to push human “data generators” into walled gardens where they can be properly farmed?

I mean, from an incentive and capability matrix, it seems probable if not inevitable.

righthand · 5h ago
I don’t think our basis for what works and what doesn’t should stem from fiction.