Here be dragons: Preventing static damage, latchup, and metastability in the 386

21 todsacerdoti 20 8/17/2025, 3:34:10 PM righto.com ↗

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kens · 2h ago
Author here if you have questions about some obscure circuitry in the 386.
symaxian · 1h ago
Are the techniques described in the article still in use today or have they been superseded?
kens · 1h ago
My understanding is that modern techniques are similar, but the tradeoffs have changed as chip voltages become lower and transistors become smaller. (Admittedly, I don't know a lot about modern techniques.)

This article, from a company that designs ESD circuits, describes various modern techniques: https://monthly-pulse.com/2022/03/29/introduction-esd-protec...

cruffle_duffle · 1h ago
“Intel recommends an anti-static mat and a grounding wrist strap when installing a processor to avoid the danger of static electricity, also known as Electrostatic Discharge or ESD.1”

You know back when I built my computers, not once did I ever use any kind of static electricity discharge “system”. No wrist strap, no mat, no anything. And I don’t know anybody who did.

Has anybody ever actually destroyed a chip with static electricity?

(Of course it could be the climate I lived in as well)

amock · 21m ago
I damaged an embedded development board by walking across a carpeted room before touching it. When I touched it I heard, felt, and saw the zap and one of the IO ports was stuck after that.
kens · 1h ago
Part of it is that the incentives are different for you and for the chip manufacturer. You're not going to notice if, hypothetically, one in a hundred processors gets fried from careless handling. But a 1% return rate is a huge cost to Intel that they would want to avoid.
rectang · 1h ago
Is wonder if there's a strong correlation between whether you experience static zaps in your daily life and your propensity to fry chips with ESD.

When you fry a chip is it obvious because you experience a zap?

If so, then that would make all this "make sure you're grounded" ceremony less mysterious — because unless you feel a zap (even a tiny one) you probably haven't fried a chip, and it doesn't generally happen in environments where you don't feel zaps.

Obvious caveat: "feeling" a zap is not a precise measurement. But perhaps "zaps fry chips" is a lie which reveals a greater truth.

kens · 7m ago
Roughly, 3000 volts is what you can feel and 2000 volts is what can zap a chip. So you can zip chips without feeling it.
ACCount37 · 27m ago
I never have, and I've been in embedded for ages. So I've dealt with my fair share of chips, consumer electronics and not.

But one vital thing to understand is that a lot of those "vendor recommendations" exist to cover for rare 1% to 0.1% edge case failures.

You can put together 20 PCs, with none of them dying from ESD, and conclude that ESD "isn't a real issue". But if you have a company that puts together tens of thousands of PCs per month? Then those ugly 0.1% edge case failures WILL pop up and they WILL cost you. And if you employ enough people, one of them might be a son of Zeus with a wild Wimshurst machine hairstyle - capable of emitting two high power ESDs, complete with an audible crackle and a visible spark, per minute. So ESD straps it is.

The same applies to things like humidity control or reflow profiles for electronics. Not an issue ~99% of the time. The remaining ~1% can fuck you over in mass manufacturing, so disrespect the vendor at your own peril.

K0balt · 54m ago
Decades ago I was in the PC manufacturing and repair business. I religiously used anti-static mats, straps, And diffusers, but I still destroyed several thousand dollars of equipment over those years from equipment/ grounding failures, or even picking a PC up (accidentally touching a port) to put it on a bench.

It was interior Alaska, where humidity is low enough that an orange turns into a passable golf ball in a week and a half, so that was definitely a factor.

TLDR static electricity is bad for electronics, and damage does not necessarily show up as failure but often manifests as flaky behavior.

beng-nl · 1h ago
As far as I know, same here. The only thing I do is grab a ground lug from a electrical outlet before handling chips and boards. Which may be superstition and ineffective. I may be doing the right thing or I may be using up my luck and one day fry something expensive.
orev · 7m ago
I doubt this is doing anything. Static electricity is the difference in latent charge between two things, and if neither of those things is attached the the actual ground, touching the mains ground (which is attached to the actual ground) isn’t doing much.
vrighter · 1h ago
i just go touch a metal faucet before. Probably doesn't work, but never ruined anything either
the-grump · 1h ago
You will fry something if you don't use anti static measures and work on enough boards.

Moisture, clothing, habits play a role so it's highly variable.

datameta · 44m ago
The higher the feature density, the likelier a discharge of a given voltage will cause physical damage?
dboreham · 18m ago
Damage is at the pad, so probably no. (the ESD protection structures that you're proposing to zap are not teeny tiny).
dboreham · 19m ago
One thing I remember from my time in the CPU industry is that ESD damage can be cumulative and also can have a delayed effect. So just because you handle a device without precautions today, doesn't mean it won't fail at some time in the future as a result. That said, I've never used precautions in home/hobby projects.
tharant · 1h ago
When you’re digging around in tens to hundreds of PCs each day, the odds of zapping something are higher. I’ve killed a few chips and boards.
pixl97 · 26m ago
Yep, it's a numbers game. There are things that can increase your risk on single computers, like working on carpet with dry air of course. But when you have to build a ton of PCs moving fast things like anti static mats and ground strips make a huge difference.
forgetfreeman · 1h ago
Yeah I'm pretty sure I've seen processors and memory both get eaten by ESD. Of course its impossible to prove but techs that didn't use protection had higher RMA rates on components so it gots to a point where the conclusion drew itself.