The BLS Can't Be Replaced by the Private Sector

62 petethomas 52 8/8/2025, 12:52:27 PM bloomberg.com ↗

Comments (52)

StopTheWorld · 39m ago
Should point out this is not the first time the BLS came under serious fire, politically. When the Republicans regained control of the Senate in 1995, they set up a commission (Boskin commission) that said inflation had been overstated, and henceforth cut Social Security cost of living adjustments.
jacobyoder · 1h ago
> Instead of firing the commissioner, the president should be giving the agency a raise in the form of a bigger budget. The goal should be to restore public trust in government statistics, not undermine it.

When you believe that government should not be providing many services, or doing most of what it currently does overall, why would you want to bolster trust in government statistics? Those statistics might contradict the administration, which is not a goal of the administration and its backers.

hypeatei · 49m ago
I understand why articles like this are written and why we have these conversations but it all feels like we're sane washing this administration. Any other administration (especially a Democrat) firing the head of BLS due to unsavory numbers would be a scandal on its own. Yet, we're seven months into this one with multiple corruption scandals flooding the zone. It just seems crazy that we're here justifying basic concepts of government/public service and not outright calling this out for what it is.
throwanem · 23m ago
Right. That's a good deal of what gets them away with it. You have to crush this stuff while it's small.
noitpmeder · 55m ago
Exactly. Instead of battling with their own internal departments when they show lack-luster numbers in good faith, they can just blame the "agendas" of the non-blessed private sector companies who show the same data.

Even better, they can exult the virtues of select private sector companies who show "good" "approved" data.

What? No, no conflict of interest that members of the President's immediate family happens to hold board seats in those "approved" companies.

root_axis · 53m ago
Presumably private firms will become a necessary component of economic projections since BLS statistics will be less trustworthy going forward.
JKCalhoun · 31m ago
Love it. You can then just pick the numbers from the firm that is saying what you want to hear.
root_axis · 15m ago
Yeah, it sucks for the public, but I assume if you're working in FP&A your company will pay for accurate statistics.
komali2 · 7m ago
Or also, all firms will say what you want to hear, like modern ratings agencies already do. Because otherwise you won't ever shop at the ones who give you bad numbers, and market pressure will turn them all into a ratings shop.
dv_dt · 44m ago
We have been seeing news reporting, media, and education private organizations knuckling under from pressure by the administration - is there any reason to believe that we would not see the same from data reporting companies
root_axis · 22m ago
Fair point, but private organizations would at least have a financial incentive to give accurate numbers since that's they're business, if they earn a reputation of unreliability then there'd be no reason to pay them, you could just trust the government numbers for free.
jeffhwang · 14m ago
There's significant evidence contradicting this hypothesis. See industry analysts like Gartner, IDC, etc. who all ask tech firms to "pay to play" for better rankings in their reports. As well as the ratings agencies like Moody's, S&P's, and Fitch during the 2008 financial crisis. These ratings agencies were paid by the banks selling CDOs, MBS, and other debt derivatives that were especially tied to the US housing market. The agencies were incentivized to not downgrade those products.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_rating_agencies_and_the...

root_axis · 3m ago
This makes sense. Thanks for the info.
phkahler · 4m ago
>> Fair point, but private organizations would at least have a financial incentive to give accurate numbers since that's they're business

Private organizations will quickly start providing numbers that their customers want to see. Remember the risk ratings agencies prior to 2008? Yeah, finance guys want accurate risk assessments internally, but they always want good ratings on the stuff they're selling. Good ratings are a lubricant on transactions and since ratings are paid for by people making transactions there is more pressure in one direction.

elictronic · 8m ago
You pay for the business that provides the numbers you want. Accuracy is desired only in setting a baseline to be below. Reducing social security is the desired outcome not accuracy.
derbOac · 29m ago
What I really would like to see is a historical trend analysis seeing whether BLS and nongovernment estimates (public or private) start to decouple about now.

If you have enough sources you presumably at least can start to make observations about which sources agree and which disagree.

Actually I presume something like this already exists, but I'm not an economist so I don't know.

ksherlock · 8m ago
With this and SCOTUS neutering Humphrey’s Executor (with Federal Reserve penumbras -- for now) I'm wondering if there will be a push in the future to establish a 4th branch (call it the deep state branch) to protect what should be non-political stuff like the federal reserve and BLS statistics. Like the judiciary, nominated by President, confirmed by the senate, funded by congress, impeachable, limited executive authority, etc.
jacobyoder · 1h ago
softwaredoug · 43m ago
altcognito · 23m ago
(Great post/article!) I was so confused as to why you said counterpoint -- it is deep in the article, if at all.

> If the government’s jobs data is considered biased or unreliable, Wall Street will have other places to look. ADP reports figures on private payrolls, for instance. (And it also tells a bearish story: ADP showed a net loss of jobs in June, for instance.) Meanwhile, Gallup once tracked employment numbers on a weekly basis based on its large-scale surveys and could resume that effort. Or investment banks like Goldman Sachs might conclude they could have a competitive edge by tracking their own economic data.

But in the following paragraph he points out that the numbers aren't likely to be as accurate, comprehensive, or as reassuring as numbers generated by the government. Overall though it is a really good article worth a share of its own.

JKCalhoun · 31m ago
Doesn't seem to be a counterpoint?
VeejayRampay · 29m ago
don't you worry, people in the public sector who want everything to be private will make sure that the BLS becomes shit enough that the private alternative will end up being appealing, we've seen that millions of times before
FrustratedMonky · 1h ago
With the shoot the messenger management style. Will the BLS ever be trustworthy again? What happens to markets when we can't trust any government statistics.
noitpmeder · 52m ago
Maybe the best move at this point is to move toward the BLS releasing all the raw data, but do not publish conclusions of their own? Then at least you have a central "unbiased" (if that's ever an actual state) agency responsible for collection, and leave it up to the more polarized outlets/statisticians/... to produce their own interpretations.

E.g. similar to Census data -- central data collection managed by govt, generalized anonymous data released for interpretation by anyone.

croes · 46m ago
That opens the door for lots of Wrong conclusions either lack of knowledge and maliciousness.

Statistics is often counterintuitive.

ThinkingGuy · 55s ago
See also: The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)
noitpmeder · 40m ago
Sure, but the alternative is implicitly trusting the conclusions and interpretations the govt agency, who are (almost assuredly) humans with biases and not impartial robots.

It's a lot harder to attack general best practice statistic collection than it is to throw shade at an editorial. (not that certain administrations have issues attacking best practice science)

Issue also arise "easily" when the people charged with producing editorials are political appointees who are easy targets for subsequent administrations looking to shift blame. (seems we're at this stage now)

FrustratedMonky · 43m ago
Was on news yesterday, not sure if will happen. But Trump now also does not trust the Census and wants to do another one. So then what happens when we can't even trust the Census? And Totals are just gamed for Congressional seats.
noitpmeder · 34m ago
Yeah we live in a crazy world. Honestly the fact that they don't trust it probably lends more credence toward their results -- it's extremely unfortunate that many of these agencies/systems/... live under the executive branch's whims and not as part of congressionally-mandated programs where it'd be more difficult to meddle.

The current 2-party system with fixed terms almost lends itself to promoting the political appointee system where entire department head counts turn over after a change in ruling party. If you're a "career" politician it's a no-brainer to fill these positions wholesale with people who are favorable to your world view, or donated to your administration, or spend lots of money at your hotel chain, ...

chasing · 48m ago
Yes, if the executive branch is trustworthy. We need to send a clear signal to the Republican Party that this sort of general behavior is not acceptable to Americans.
croes · 46m ago
They don’t care
chasing · 44m ago
Sadly, I think you’re right. And a nation of citizens who don’t care about good government is a nation that is in collapse.
burnt-resistor · 59m ago
See, what they really need to do is release the politically-desired results in press releases while sending the real information using steganographic concealment in the page's logo. We must construct a Truman Show around Dear Leader for our own survival. /s

Previous users of this data will seek alternative, less precise signals elsewhere and likely use conservative, pessimistic guesstimates that will tend to be risk-adverse and not encourage expansion or investment.

bko · 48m ago
I mean, they already don't. Investors aren't stupid. Half of financial analysis is converting financial metrics from GAAP to other more meaningful structures that allow for proper forecasting and comparison. They spend billions on alternative data, trying to get an edge. They take nothing at face value.

I think the government stuff is a bit of a farce. They have an incentive like any other institution. For instance, inflation metrics are tied to trillions of dollars in terms of retirement benefits or other programs that are indexed to inflation. They have a gigantic incentive to play with the numbers. And I'm 100% convinced that they do. Does anyone believe food prices went up only 28% since pre-covid? Did something go from costing $4 to $5? No, most things close to doubled. But they're able to play with the numbers changing the basket (beef getting more expensive, we'll just swap that out with Tofu!).

redserk · 41m ago
What?
chasing · 53m ago
That’s the point. When Trump disagrees with facts the facts must be destroyed. When people are actually trying to solve problems they desire more information, not less.
derbOac · 33m ago
I think this pattern of behavior needs to be cast as incompetence and cowardice rather than immorality. Avoiding transparency, rigorous analysis, and competitive disagreement and review is a sign that one cannot make a convincing argument, or does not have courage to do so. I don't think they care about the morality of it, or see themselves as morally justified.
chasing · 13m ago
> incompetence and cowardice rather than immorality

Why not all three?

dionian · 48m ago
The problem is the BLS was putting out wildly incorrect facts
unethical_ban · 25m ago
That claim has never been backed up with evidence.
croes · 43m ago
They put out estimations and numbers based on reported data.

When the reported data changed they changed their data too.

That‘s not putting out wildly incorrect facts that’s putting out data based on currently known facts

chasing · 43m ago
Yes, they had that bias towards reality that authoritarians can’t stand.
charcircuit · 1h ago
>As a result, a company’s data will tend to reflect the needs of its clients — it won’t capture the economy as whole.

If no one needs some data doesn't that imply capturing it is a waste of time and energy?

altcognito · 46m ago
The whole paragraph explains it:

> Private companies are in the business of making a profit, and to do that they need to attract customers. Some customers are more profitable than others. As a result, a company’s data will tend to reflect the needs of its clients — it won’t capture the economy as whole.

Honestly, it is a very, very good paragraph. There is a slavish devotion to the idea that markets are efficient and that is the most desirable outcome in all situations. If you are in the business of being a government and running a country for all of your citizens, you need all the data, not just select aspects of it, and not just those that tell a particular story.

charcircuit · 28m ago
>you need all the data

There is an infinite amount of data. And most of it is useless. Governments do not need to know how many fry cooks read exactly 3 novels from authors who names end with a letter in the first half of the alphabet in the last year.

altcognito · 20m ago
Reductio ad absurdum, sure.

So that is why it is important to understand that the government needs data for it's purposes (and not more than that). Restricting data to the narrow purposes of whichever company is willing to pay to produce select economic statistics will leave everyone worse off.

charcircuit · 5m ago
>Restricting data to the narrow purposes of whichever company

This isn't what the article said. It essentially said the data would be based off what people who use the data need. If the government needs some data it would still be able to get it.

mlinhares · 1h ago
Everyone needs trustworthy employment data as this affects every single business in the country. If you don't know what the real employment rate is and you see your business going down you might think the problem is your business and not the whole economy.

You can't run a modern country without collecting real world data about the country's economy.

parineum · 47m ago
how would that change your actions? Would it make you feel better about your business failing?
altcognito · 42m ago
If employment is strong, you might add marketing, because maybe you're not doing enough to get the money that is clearly being passed around.

If employment is weak, you might cut staff yourself, or maybe cut costs elsewhere.

You might change your product mix to serve a different set of customers. You could change pricing.

No. It is not about feeling better.

nemomarx · 1h ago
People who are not the clients could need accurate information about how the total market is doing?
regularization · 48m ago
Karl Marx used the British government Blue Books he found in the Reading Room of the British Museum to write Capital. If the British government wasn't publishing Blue Books in the 19th century, he would have had more difficulty forming his theories.