At a Loss for Words: A flawed idea is teaching kids to be poor readers (2019)

12 Akronymus 13 8/2/2025, 12:12:27 PM apmreports.org ↗

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SoftTalker · 4m ago
This seems so weird. When I think about how I learned to read, in the 1970s, it was (as best I can remember) first learning the letters and the sounds they make. Then starting to read words by "sounding them out." I never remember learning about "context" or "what word would make sense here" or "what do the pictures show." Pictures were just there to make the pages more fun to look at for a 7 year old to look at.

Of course after some exposure and repetition you start to read whole words at a glance. That's just natural, but we never learned to read by memorizing words.

bluesounddirect · 2h ago
As the husband of an Orton-Gillingham trained tutor , teachers and the industry supporting teachers , not OG ; are very much in the business of making money not making kids read . The entire economy around "services" like OT , Speech , etc is all about how to monetize it, not how do we do the most good for the children.
mrangle · 2h ago
SLP here. I hear you. But the reality is greyer. Yes, it's easy for anyone and everyone to see the financial layer of developmental services. But virtually 100% of working SLPs care about getting clients to their goals, even if that client's access to services is determined by insurance.

Money is an inescapable reality for every service in society. But most clinics are busy, and so there isn't a real incentive to try to slow walk clients. Which would be radically corrupt on a number of levels. Even if some backroom financial functionary in a clinic were to have that thought on occasion. I've never heard it verbalized nor seen any evidence of it trickling down from management.

Moreover, most (but not all) clients will be perpetually slightly behind if they start behind. Even if they catch up at a faster rate, with the help of services. Thereby justifying services if the family wants them. But that's not the same as clinic level corruption. It's just a fact of cognitive development. But there's no better advertisement for a clinic or clinician than graduating a client.

Although I can't speak to reading in the following regard, I agree that there are sometimes lesser supported therapy methods for some delays. This is where the art of picking one's therapist is important, as they differ and what they use is within their discretion. As is the case across the rehab field.

bell-cot · 7h ago
(2019), and previously on HN (with plenty of comments) a few times: https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=apmreports.org
dang · 56m ago
Thanks! Macroexpanded:

How a flawed idea is teaching kids to be poor readers (2019) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41344613 - Aug 2024 (119 comments)

Sold a Story: How Teaching Kids to Read Went So Wrong - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35599181 - April 2023 (508 comments)

Sold a Story: How Teaching Kids to Read Went So Wrong - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34011841 - Dec 2022 (1 comment)

How a flawed idea is teaching millions of kids to be poor readers (2019) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23981447 - July 2020 (225 comments)

nottorp · 3h ago
Interesting... I was expecting an article about teaching kids to read to have ... text ... in it.
Akronymus · 2h ago
dang · 56m ago
Thanks! I've put that URL at the top, and put the submitted URL (https://features.apmreports.org/sold-a-story/) in the text up there.
mrangle · 2h ago
Whatever the culture and resources of the parents, the buck stops at home.

Gaining the ability to read begins from birth, and by the time that kids are school age they should be clamoring for books if the parents did their job.

After time-worn basic reading instruction in first grade, it's a matter of parents enforcing reading-time at home for school mandated reading. Then providing access to the reading material that the child desires for their free reading. Whatever it is. Book-bound comic strips are an early popular grade-level choice, and are fantastic. If a child is behind, then go simpler. Everything else is a band-aid or less practical if not detrimental in comparison. Some kids need services if they have deficits, but that doesn't imply that the standard practice is flawed. All top readers came out of this type of early progression. So have most middling readers, often just separated by the amount of time they've chosen to put in. Or were compelled to put in.

clickety_clack · 40m ago
I think that we can demand that our education systems teach our kids to read and do math.

Many parents are not academic and can’t do a good job in passing on academic skills no matter how hard they might try. Many other parents would prefer to teach their kids different things about how to live a life.

I grew up on a farm, and the start of my journey into tech was fixing machinery and building things outside with my father. With my kids I want to create a similar experience so they feel like they have the power to take things apart, fix them and make whatever they want. I don’t want to jam them up all evening reading and doing times tables.

kathyw · 22m ago
Very misleading article. The statistics shown, such as "Percentage of U.S. fourth-graders below basic level in reading", look completely normal once you remove a specific demographic from the data. A breakdown by demographic would be much more insightful and helpful to solve the problem.
thfuran · 5m ago
Normal compared to the past numbers without cherrypicking?
Jabrov · 19m ago
What demographic?