Let me preface by saying that I'm not a fan of the evolution of e-cigs since they ended up being more of an entry point than a transition out of nicotine. Probably half of my friends started by vaping and moved to cigarettes.
That said, tons of other vapes are allowed on the market, so why should Juul specifically be banned?
malfist · 11m ago
I'm sure loosening restrictions is all part of the Make America Healthy Again plan, right?
nashashmi · 9m ago
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whycome · 29m ago
> ~ Original and Menthol
I'll never understand why adults partaking in a particular vice can't enjoy different flavours (unless the vice is alcohol).
Freak_NL · 18m ago
Do you mean why vapes aren't allowed to be sold in exciting flavours in a lot of countries?
Because what happened there was that 'strawberry kiwi', 'banana ice', and 'miami mint', and whatever fruity flavour in a colourful package you can come up with, turned vaping from something adults did to quit smoking tobacco into the biggest hype amongst teenagers since fidget spinners. Only they get addicted to nicotine as a bonus, and switch to 'proper' tobacco in their senior years.
Even with a complete ban on those the damage is done, and all across the globe society is now dealing with a huge profitable underground Snapchat-enabled market geared solely at selling the equivalent of a pack-a-day habit in nicotine to kids. (The ban helps to gradually denormalise vaping again, so it is good to have in place.)
skybrian · 13m ago
Interesting, what evidence is there that people switch from e-cigarettes to tobacco? I hadn’t heard of that before.
Freak_NL · 2m ago
In the Netherlands the scientific Trimbos Institute has been reporting this based on their regular demographic research polls, but health care professionals are drawing this conclusion too. Near the end of high school vaping is something the kids do. To be really cool, you gotta smoke — and as this group of unfortunate kids is already addicted to nicotine…
silverquiet · 10m ago
Every single person I've known who switched from tobacco to e-cigarettes has switched back to tobacco. They all say it's better for one reason or another.
meepmorp · 6m ago
Former smokers switching back is one thing, but how often do people start out with vaping and then move to smoking tobacco?
cwmoore · 10m ago
Central planning saviors to the rescue, keeping everyone safe from themselves or else in jail or public supervision. So no, it is not "good to have in place".
evanjrowley · 18m ago
Various U.S. institutions of authority took the position that flavors were not for adults, but instead, a strategy to attract minors.
To be fair 99 Bananas still tastes like ass with a hint of incredible artificial banana.
Also the cultural aspect is just different. It is generally harder for kids to get alcohol in my experience and also you (usually) don’t carry a bottle of 99 bananas and swig it every few minutes out in public.
Perhaps most importantly is that alcohol doesn’t contain nicotine. People get addicted to alcohol but not in the same way people get addicted to nicotine.
esseph · 5m ago
Please tell me who MD 20/20 is marketing to, I would love to know.
Barrin92 · 6m ago
>unless the vice is alcohol
there is no exception to alcohol for this. Anybody who was a teenager or older in the aughts remembers "alcopops" (might have had a different name depending on where you're from). Lots of countries regulated or raised taxes on mixed drinks because they were seen (probably justifiably so) as targeting teenagers. In Germany it resulted in Smirnoff Ice and some Bacardi mix drink largely going off the shelves.
doctorpangloss · 21m ago
Alcohol is no exception, Fourloco was banned!
jjice · 13m ago
I believe that was for the high alcohol content mixed with the high caffeine content
chucksta · 13m ago
Its still for sale, just without caffeine
bgwalter · 8m ago
It is already known that E-Cigarettes cause lung damage:
That said, tons of other vapes are allowed on the market, so why should Juul specifically be banned?
I'll never understand why adults partaking in a particular vice can't enjoy different flavours (unless the vice is alcohol).
Because what happened there was that 'strawberry kiwi', 'banana ice', and 'miami mint', and whatever fruity flavour in a colourful package you can come up with, turned vaping from something adults did to quit smoking tobacco into the biggest hype amongst teenagers since fidget spinners. Only they get addicted to nicotine as a bonus, and switch to 'proper' tobacco in their senior years.
Even with a complete ban on those the damage is done, and all across the globe society is now dealing with a huge profitable underground Snapchat-enabled market geared solely at selling the equivalent of a pack-a-day habit in nicotine to kids. (The ban helps to gradually denormalise vaping again, so it is good to have in place.)
https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/e-cigarettes/why-youth-vape.html
https://www.fda.gov/tobacco-products/ctp-newsroom/misleading...
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6663555/
https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2018/05/...
https://www.drugs.com/news/study-finds-powerful-sweetener-va...
Also the cultural aspect is just different. It is generally harder for kids to get alcohol in my experience and also you (usually) don’t carry a bottle of 99 bananas and swig it every few minutes out in public.
Perhaps most importantly is that alcohol doesn’t contain nicotine. People get addicted to alcohol but not in the same way people get addicted to nicotine.
there is no exception to alcohol for this. Anybody who was a teenager or older in the aughts remembers "alcopops" (might have had a different name depending on where you're from). Lots of countries regulated or raised taxes on mixed drinks because they were seen (probably justifiably so) as targeting teenagers. In Germany it resulted in Smirnoff Ice and some Bacardi mix drink largely going off the shelves.
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-preventi...
On the rare occasions of exposure by a user exhaling in public next to me I found it worse than passively inhaling cigarette smoke.