DOGE Is Bringing Back a Deadly Disease

53 voxadam 14 5/10/2025, 6:38:56 PM theatlantic.com ↗

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Animats · 3h ago

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voxadam · 3h ago
Hizonner · 37m ago
A deadly disease?
chasing · 3h ago
It’s not just the general stupidity, it’s the complete disrespect for people who actually are experts and the bone-deep lack of empathy for human pain and suffering that my brain simply cannot work itself around.
jmclnx · 3h ago
This is a new one on me :(

Well that is what happens when you have an anti-science administration running the country.

tastyfreeze · 3h ago
Now that the danger is known why wouldn't workers protect themselves without government requirements?

Removing the requirement doesn't automatically mean less safe workplaces. It puts the responsibility for being safe on the business or individual.

Hizonner · 39m ago
Because PPE is uncomfortable and safe practices (including PPE) slow you down. If not forced by management (or the government), many people will do stuff that shortens their lives by 30 years, and push others to do it as well.

Because a lot of preventative measures for this stuff affect how the facility is built and how the process is designed, and an individual worker can't change that.

Because if you're running a business and you don't actively push your workers to cut corners, you will get outcompeted by businesses who do. And then the workers will go work there, because those are the only businesses left and this is the trade they know. And if they try to do it the safe way, they'll get fired because they're 5 (or 25) percent slower than the workers who don't.

Because unions, which might be able to do something about some of those things, are (a) fighting game theory a lot of the time, (b) captured not infrequently, and (c) legally hobbled more often than you'd hope.

All of which is obvious if you're not intentionally trying really hard to ignore it.

dragonwriter · 3h ago
> Now that the danger is known why wouldn't workers protect themselves without government requirements?

Because workers don't control working conditions.

AlotOfReading · 2h ago
Many blue collar workers will actively fight PPE because it's inconvenient and uncool. When you combine that with management that just doesn't care about safety, it's the families and society at large that have to bear the eventual costs.
throw0101d · 3h ago
> Now that the danger is known why wouldn't workers protect themselves without government requirements?

At the risk of losing their jobs if they push back 'too much' against the companies. If it's no longer mandatory, lower regulations can be a 'competitive advantage' when it comes to costs, and so that incentivizes companies to cut back.

cratermoon · 3h ago
You expect workers to pay for protection out of their own pockets? Against a risk their employer denies exists.
tastyfreeze · 1h ago
My family members that have worked oil fields were responsible for buying their own PPE even though it was regulation that required it.
Teever · 2h ago
Some of the mitigation techniques aren't feasible for the employees to implement, and some employers would actively stop the employees from implementing them without pressure from sufficiently empowered regulatory bodies to force the employers to implement them.

I'll give you an example. I used to have a job that involved cutting concrete pipes with a saw. The employer provided an N95 mask that kind of worked but didn't really provide proper proper protection. The saw I used had a water hookup that would allow you to connect a water tank to it which would have completely eliminated the dust from forming as the pipe was being cut.

I'm assuming that the law mandated the provision of masks but it did not mandate the use of water when cutting the concrete. As a result the ineffective mask solution was provided by the employer while the effective solution was not.

It would not have been practical for me as an employee to self source a water tank and a water source. Hell this employer couldn't even provide the workers with fresh drinking water all the time, despite the job being the literally installation of water pipes.

ch33zer · 3h ago
Let's take a look: * If we accept that it's the workers responsibility then we're saying that the blue collar worker who is barely making enough to feed their family is supposed to travel OSHA warnings and regulations to know that silica dust will cause them problems. * If we accept that it's the businesses responsibility then I'll ask you to provide me of examples where massive mining corporations voluntarily protected their workers when government didn't require it.

Do you really think that either of these two entities will be able to manage this risk more effectively than the government? I don't.