- The homepage has a bunch of "Bonfire is...", but they don't tell me much about how Bonfire achieves any of those goals like to be a "commons".
- There's a codebase and documentation, but it comes in six different "flavours", although I can only really differentiate between two.
- Most of the FAQs just say "wip".
- It proudly states that there are no ads, no tracking, etc, but doesn't tell me what there are no ads on, or what isn't tracking me.
- It proudly states that it's federated, but as far as what it federates with, that's "wip".
I'm all for more federation, more data control, and experiments in social networking, but I'm a technical user and I have no idea what this is or does. It feels like in service of wanting to be as abstract and flexible, it maybe just doesn't solve any actual concrete problems.
If it's a toolkit with which to build social networks, that's great, but much of the documentation suggests that it's also a network itself, suggesting perhaps limited use as a toolkit. If it supports ActivityPub or AtProto, it really needs to come out and say that up front. "Bonfire is a framework for building custom AtProto based social networking applications" would be a great summary, or "Bonfire is a Mastodon alternative exploring the frontier of ActivityPub federated applications" would be great too.
RamblingCTO · 2m ago
This project looks cool but seems to be more interested in their governance model/politics than actually building it? Lot's of handwavy references to socialist movements but not a lot of documentation?
snickerer · 56m ago
I did not understand what this is about from the article. It is social and wants to empower people, but how?
From reading the 'about' page I understood that this is a new social media platform in the Fediverse.
Now there is obviously one question: why should I participate in this and not in the existing projects like Mastodon? Why did you split up?
I suggest the Bonfire people should put the answer to that question on the top of the 'about' page.
darkhorse13 · 16m ago
Slightly unrelated maybe, but I'm really hoping that the https://once.com model would take off. That would be the change I would want to see in the software world. It's more simpler to understand than governance, public interest, etc. Just pay once and own the software. I really don't think software is that deep or has many philosophical implications.
RamblingCTO · 3m ago
But isn't that out of sync with reality? If I have to maintain software and put in more hours but only get paid once, I have to grow and grow and grow to keep getting paid.
I'm actually developing a screen recording app for macos that's gonna be paid once, but will only have updates for a year. You can use it until apple changes APIs and whatever, but otherwise it wouldn't be a sustainable business model for me.
I think before we talk about being only paid once for software (which isn't a finished product like a brick anyway) we need to figure that out.
seif_madc · 10m ago
Software is built by humans, for humans, and we should feel that, see that, when we are using it, and even when we are not using it, i mean the resposibility developers should take writing those lines of code, the moral side of things, the long term consequeces of their blind choices, genius evil algorithms, and yes developers and not managers or those people at "the top", because at the end of the day, the developer is the one giving it all to make that peace of software works, i told myself many times before that we have laready reached an era where software is built by machines for humans, long before A.I and vibe coding .
Xiol32 · 1h ago
I see we still haven't learned to put a summary of what your product is/does near the start of any big announcement.
RadiozRadioz · 1h ago
Appears to be a fediverse social network like Mastodon, there's a demo on their homepage: https://bonfirenetworks.org/
aloisdg · 34m ago
but what kind? Microblogging, macroblogging, link aggregation, forum, imageboard etc.
chrz · 1h ago
Yes lost me reading after few minutes because I still didn't know what I was reading about
xucian · 46m ago
there is a fine balance between new features and performance (e.g. android/ios apis, .net apis in unity game engine etc.)
but I think there's a consensus around certain software not keeping its responsiveness acceleration on par with hardware capability acceleration, some of it driven by ideas like "everyone phone now has 8gb of ram, c'mon", but most of it by profit incentives on the other side, e.g. cloud providers.
I was really happy to discover proxmox (my micro-homelab is a dell mini pc, a mid-range asus gaming router, a 2-slot synology nas, and it's rocking)
then, hetzner (for workloads that cannot be hosted on my homelab), they have an outstanding performance for 3-5$ monthly. before that I used aws lightsail, digital ocean droplets, and before that I used google cloud. I basically started with the worst and ended up with the best, I'm quite sad about that as I've wasted so many hours learning the stupid GCP ui, which was buggy and convoluted af. basically I went on one of the worst paths in terms of devops/sysadmin leverage, wasting time on semi-non-transferrable skills. this was not my main job, though, it was mostly hobby projects but still
xprn · 41m ago
In my opinion, it’s good to make these mistakes earlier rather than later on. You got the scars early enough to think there must be a better way, as opposed to starting with the “old school way” and then thinking that AWS/GCP would make it easier.
xucian · 21m ago
hm, I think I would've never gone with a cloud provider if I knew about these low-barrier self-hosting solutions.
it definitely helps to have scars, though. just pray something/someone takes you out of the pain soon enough (it took me ~4y to finally realize there has to be a better way at least for small/medium projects)
soufron · 11m ago
I dont get it. Faster software should use less resources. So? Why slower software? :D
troupo · 55m ago
> Profit over people: at what cost?
Profit hasn't been the goal of Silicon Valley for a very long time. Revenue and growth have been the goals, and chasing those two has been much more damaging than chasing profits.
dgb23 · 16m ago
When I’m losing I always say “I play the long game”.
frotaur · 50m ago
Aren't they chasing those to ultimately generate profits?
troupo · 13m ago
Not in the past 10 years or so, no.
To the point that Uber said they may never generate profit in their IPO filing
quijoteuniv · 1h ago
Refreshing reading. I hope we soon move to an era where this kind of initiative is the starting point. (In opposition to the make quick money model)
- The homepage has a bunch of "Bonfire is...", but they don't tell me much about how Bonfire achieves any of those goals like to be a "commons".
- There's a codebase and documentation, but it comes in six different "flavours", although I can only really differentiate between two.
- Most of the FAQs just say "wip".
- It proudly states that there are no ads, no tracking, etc, but doesn't tell me what there are no ads on, or what isn't tracking me.
- It proudly states that it's federated, but as far as what it federates with, that's "wip".
I'm all for more federation, more data control, and experiments in social networking, but I'm a technical user and I have no idea what this is or does. It feels like in service of wanting to be as abstract and flexible, it maybe just doesn't solve any actual concrete problems.
If it's a toolkit with which to build social networks, that's great, but much of the documentation suggests that it's also a network itself, suggesting perhaps limited use as a toolkit. If it supports ActivityPub or AtProto, it really needs to come out and say that up front. "Bonfire is a framework for building custom AtProto based social networking applications" would be a great summary, or "Bonfire is a Mastodon alternative exploring the frontier of ActivityPub federated applications" would be great too.
From reading the 'about' page I understood that this is a new social media platform in the Fediverse.
Now there is obviously one question: why should I participate in this and not in the existing projects like Mastodon? Why did you split up?
I suggest the Bonfire people should put the answer to that question on the top of the 'about' page.
I think before we talk about being only paid once for software (which isn't a finished product like a brick anyway) we need to figure that out.
but I think there's a consensus around certain software not keeping its responsiveness acceleration on par with hardware capability acceleration, some of it driven by ideas like "everyone phone now has 8gb of ram, c'mon", but most of it by profit incentives on the other side, e.g. cloud providers.
I was really happy to discover proxmox (my micro-homelab is a dell mini pc, a mid-range asus gaming router, a 2-slot synology nas, and it's rocking)
then, hetzner (for workloads that cannot be hosted on my homelab), they have an outstanding performance for 3-5$ monthly. before that I used aws lightsail, digital ocean droplets, and before that I used google cloud. I basically started with the worst and ended up with the best, I'm quite sad about that as I've wasted so many hours learning the stupid GCP ui, which was buggy and convoluted af. basically I went on one of the worst paths in terms of devops/sysadmin leverage, wasting time on semi-non-transferrable skills. this was not my main job, though, it was mostly hobby projects but still
it definitely helps to have scars, though. just pray something/someone takes you out of the pain soon enough (it took me ~4y to finally realize there has to be a better way at least for small/medium projects)
Profit hasn't been the goal of Silicon Valley for a very long time. Revenue and growth have been the goals, and chasing those two has been much more damaging than chasing profits.
To the point that Uber said they may never generate profit in their IPO filing