Fascinating that in Farsi "scanning" and "vegetative" differ only by a single dot in the word!
Kinda blows my mind, but then I am only really familiar with English and basic knowledge of a few other European languages.
Anyone here got any more details on this? To me it seems like its as minor as just like missing a dot on an I but totally changes the meaning?
moses-palmer · 1h ago
I don't speak Farsi, but some Arabic, and the Farsi alphabet is related.
The letters are completely different in pronunciation: with one dot, it's like the English letter B, and with two it's either like Y or the pronunciation of double E.
sindriava · 2h ago
Think about the difference between "tart" and "fart".
badc0ffee · 51m ago
This is a good example - you just flipped the t upside down.
Mistletoe · 58m ago
If you are James Joyce, you are interested in both.
nh23423fefe · 1h ago
fuck luck
cant cunt
stevenbedrick · 2h ago
Ages and ages ago a group of colleagues of mine did a study of faxing Arabic-language prescriptions- the low resolution of the fax machine, as well as the textured appearance of the forgery-resistant paper that prescriptions had to be printed on, meant that diacritic marks got smudged in ways that were leading to clinically-meaningful confusion on the part of the reader. Here's their paper about it: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22178294/
kirubakaran · 1h ago
"Let's eat, grandma"
vs
"Let's eat grandma"
penguin_booze · 19m ago
"The panda, eats, shoots, and leaves"
vs.
"The panda eats shoots and leaves"
SAI_Peregrinus · 11m ago
Or the more vulgar
"I helped my uncle, Jack, off a horse"
vs
"I helped my uncle jack off a horse"
peaseagee · 1h ago
Great band!
chimpanzee · 2h ago
The presence of the single dot determines how to read the grapheme, ie which specific letter of the alphabet it is.
A missing dot over the “i” in the Latin alphabet is unambiguously a mistake (depending on the font or script style). But if you missed the horizontal crossbar within the letter “t”, you would read it as an “l”. For example, confusing “mate” as “male”.
Rygian · 2h ago
A missing dot over the "i" in the Latin alphabet is not a mistake in Turkish. It's a different letter.
>As of today, "vegetative electron microscopy" appears in 22 papers, according to Google Scholar.
Is there any reason that journals shouldn't retract those 22 papers? I suppose those are probably pretty suspect journals in the first place.
jszymborski · 2h ago
So i just chose two at random now and they don't appear to be predatory journals, just journals with Impact Factors lower than 1.
gamescr · 7m ago
Vibe microscopy is here
nancyminusone · 2h ago
Given how often I've heard this story over the last few months, I'd half expect the total number of papers to increase with research about this topic itself.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43759130 ("A weird phrase is plaguing scientific papers (theconversation.com)" — 38 comments)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35423290 ("Chemist Rafael Luque suspended without pay for thirteen years (elpais.com)" — 120 comments)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42759862 ("Tomatoes roaming the fields and canaries in the coalmine (deevybee.blogspot.com)" — 33 comments)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28107614 ("Tortured phrases: A dubious writing style emerging in science (nature.com)" — 259 comments)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28137980 ("A dubious writing style emerging in science (arxiv.org)" — 40 comments)
Kinda blows my mind, but then I am only really familiar with English and basic knowledge of a few other European languages.
Anyone here got any more details on this? To me it seems like its as minor as just like missing a dot on an I but totally changes the meaning?
The letters are completely different in pronunciation: with one dot, it's like the English letter B, and with two it's either like Y or the pronunciation of double E.
cant cunt
vs
"Let's eat grandma"
vs.
"The panda eats shoots and leaves"
"I helped my uncle, Jack, off a horse"
vs
"I helped my uncle jack off a horse"
A missing dot over the “i” in the Latin alphabet is unambiguously a mistake (depending on the font or script style). But if you missed the horizontal crossbar within the letter “t”, you would read it as an “l”. For example, confusing “mate” as “male”.
https://haacked.com/archive/2012/07/05/turkish-i-problem-and...
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Is there any reason that journals shouldn't retract those 22 papers? I suppose those are probably pretty suspect journals in the first place.
https://www.wired.com/2009/09/fmrisalmon/