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Taking the bite out of Lyme disease
131 gmays 70 5/6/2025, 11:38:44 AM news.northwestern.edu ↗
That same year I was bitten and had a super itchy spot near my private regions. It was crazy itch and made a bullseye rash. I went to a clinic and they said they had never seen the bullseye rash and it was textbook Lyme disease (or one other common tick disease). Same was treated with Doxy and was fine. It’s an strange disease because if caught early super cheap antibiotics work well… but if has spread through your body it can take years to recover and be quite serious!
It took a physician's assistant, who happened to see me one day when both of my doctors were on their third extended vacation of the quarter, to hear my plight, take my suggestion of gout seriously, and do the leg work, also revealing to me that "full test panels" don't include uric acid by default and that my doctors had been lying to me about their thoroughness.
The assistant was also massively more knowledgeable about the disease, its history, the history of treatment, etc., and disease in general, than either of the two doctors running the clinic. Really opened my eyes.
Our bodies are such strange mechanisms.
Add to that:
And you get so many medical errors.Basically, you have to double-check everything they do, and endure their cynical rebuttal when you make suggestions, ask questions or try things they didn't request.
I had to face many such errors myself, two almost lethal.
When you can, shop for one that is both good and is open to discussion. But even then, there is a limit. At some point, your doctor WILL fail you, so you have to take responsibility, usually when you're weak and at a low point in your life.
And if you are wrong, people will tell you you should have listened to your doctor, but if the doctor is wrong, well, shit happens.
One of my practitioners is a friend of 15 years, I literally lived with him, he is considered top in his specialty. I'm surrounded by people working at the hospital.
He saved my life once.
Even that is not enough. I still have to double check stuff every time.
I have noticed that the line between condition and cause is often overlooked, even by doctors. For example this leads to people thinking Pinkeye/conjunctivitis is highly contagious, when it is still conjunctivitis if it is caused by getting something in your eye. I think that holds for everything that ends in -itis too Sinusitis, Arthritis, Tendonitis, etc.
I know that is a bit of a tangent, but you reminded me of someone who had bell's palsy telling me that it was actually shingles. I explained that just because it was caused by shingles doesn't mean it stops being Bell's Palsy, just like how it is still a cough if it's from the flu or from smoking. They ended up getting really angry at me about it, but I think hn might appreciate the semantics a bit more.
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It also cured my nearly lifelong IBS-D about a decade ago. I had a small re-occurrence of IBS-D last year after so many years without it. I was able to convince the doc that it fixed it for me in the past, so he prescribed me doxycycline again. Boom! All fixed just like before.
I have no idea why that particular antibiotic does the trick, but I've taken so many others from amoxicillin line, bactrim, even cipro, flagyl (gross) etc. and only doxy is the silver bullet for me it seems.
In the end it was four weeks of doxycycline— that was several months ago and it doesn't seem to have recurred, thankfully.
Many people face symptoms months after the bite or they might not remember getting bitten by a tick so it’s common that it is misdiagnosed and they get all kinds of ineffective and / or unnecessary meds, so I added it to my “list of illnesses to check” in case I ever get unexplainable neurological issues, fatigue and joint problems.
Note that the absence of that wouldn't mean you didn't get lyme disease.
Where I live, most of the ticks carry lyme disease, yet not that many people get infected: if you pull it out quickly, you greatly reduce the chance of getting infected. Of the people I know, perhaps 20% had lyme disease (and knew about it, I must add).
I think you’re alluding to this in your last statement, but standard treatment for Lyme can absolutely wreck your natural gut microbiome. This could explain some of the lingering chronic effects post-treatment. Did you try supplementing with fermented foods or probiotics after completing dox?
I have a friend who worked in research for rare, chronic, and misunderstood diseases for a few years. Post Treatment Lyme Disease Syndrome (PTLDS or just PTLD) is well accept by now.
The problem they encountered was that so many of the people who presented with "Chronic Lyme" diagnoses were either self-diagnosed from the internet or diagnosed by uninformed primary care doctors who used it as a catch-all for symptoms they couldn't diagnose. Many had never received positive test results, or they had received positive test results from cash-pay alternative medicine labs who used their own in-house alternate tests.
It was really depressing to hear stories about people who had been misled into spending tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars on things like year-long courses of expensive, IV antibiotics for a condition they most likely did not have. Even the idea of a persistent infection hasn't held up to scrutiny. The current line of thinking is shown in this article, where persistent particles of past infection might cause ongoing immune-related symptoms. Those symptoms would not respond to the high-dose, long-term antibiotic therapy pushed by the alternative medicine Lyme treatment providers, obviously.
So while it's a difficult topic, having some better mechanism to separate the verified Lyme cases from the self-diagnosed or those wrongly diagnosed is actually very important for improving acceptance of the condition. It's tragic that many with persistent symptoms of true Lyme infections have been dismissed, but it's also tragic that many with non-Lyme conditions have been misled into thinking that "Chronic Lyme" is the explanation for all of their problems contrary to the evidence. Getting the latter group out of the "Chronic Lyme" mindset and on to a path where their true underlying condition can be addressed, whatever it may be, is a win for them.
But some things are just really complex and the root causes are very, very difficult to pin down. There was a lot sad about COVID, but like 4000th on the list is how it revealed the human dynamics that lead to chronic diseases being overlooked because science has no valid explanation for what's happening to patients. I say this as someone who suffered from Lyme Disease for a number of years.
Long COVID? (looks up "party" stance)... that doesn't exist. Eat Apples.
Any news on the development of the fight against Lyme Disease is great news.
One key thing I've learned is that ticks are very unlikely to spread disease-causing bacteria within the first few hours of biting. So just do regular checks whenever you've been outside in tick-prone areas and get them off right away if found. If removed promptly the chance of infection is basically zero.
FYI, the idea that active infection continues to exist in hiding within the body is a fringe theory.
The linked article talks about one of the current theories for why some patients have persistent symptoms after the infection is treated. The theory involves certain components of the past infection lodging themselves in the liver where they persist and can cause symptoms.
This is a difficult topic because some alternative Lyme treatment providers will tell patients they have a persistent infection and then subject them to years of high-dose antibiotics with no scientific basis, which can create a separate set of problems without addressing anything.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?oi=bibs&hl=en&cluster=384...
Later on, she came across a doctor who happened to used to live in the North East and recognized it as Lyme disease pretty much instantly. She still deals with pain on a constant on-going basis, but has been slightly lessened with more targeted medications, etc. Hopefully something like this can offer her and others like her some sustainable, long-term relief.
That's the most important aspect of this thing. Every other aspect of this is a sideshow to the main event. And the main event very much is the de-funding of scientific research.
No longer funding this research is a huge change. And one that will eventually have far-reaching consequences for everyone.
https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2019/07/did-us-invent-lym...
I really wish there still was a vaccine available (for humans). I treat my pant legs and jacket sleeves with permethrin, which slowly kills the ticks - but does so usually before they would attempt to bite. One of the better camping tricks that I've applied to everyday life.
Case in point: The Trump administration has cut Northwestern off from over a quarter billion dollars in funding because of "anti-semitism." Note, that the vast majority of this money is for research just like the one linked in this article.
Of course, people seem to be arguing about anti-semitism more than cutting off funding for research. But make no mistake: cutting off research funding is exactly what is happening. And that has practically nothing to do with antisemitism.
Would be nice if it translates to humans.
> The authors argue that piperacillin, which has already been FDA-approved as a safe treatment for pneumonia, could also be a candidate for preemptive interventions for those potentially exposed to Lyme (with a known deer tick bite).
The Deep Places: A Memoir of Illness and Discovery
In two new studies led by bacteriologist Brandon L. Jutras, Northwestern scientists have identified an antibiotic that cures Lyme disease at a fraction of the dosage of the current “gold standard” treatment and discovered what may cause a treated infection to mimic chronic illness in patients. The studies were published in the journal Science Translational Medicine.
Very hopeful for a meaningful means of prevention in the coming years.
[0]: https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-deta...
https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-deta...
The distinction matters. Chronic lyme is quackery that encourages people to pursue aggressive long-term antibiotic treatment for a non-existent persistent bacterial infection. Often these are people who have never been infected with Borrelia in the first place.
The article directly contradicts the persistent (undetectable) bacterial infection "chronic lyme" theory.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_Lyme_disease
The theory of persistent infection hasn't really held up. There were a few researchers who claimed to have some evidence, but it hasn't really been replicated. It's largely been dismissed from mainstream research.
Sadly, it's still a favored theory in many alternative medicine communities. It's also a really contentious topic. There's a long history, including Lyme researchers leaving the field after receiving death threats following publication of research that didn't agree with the alternative medicine theories.
> That was news to me so I found this from NIH in the USA. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8870494/ Borrelia can cross over to the CNS. Lovely.
To be clear, that article is about CNS penetration of the infection, not persistence of the infection.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrodermatitis_chronica_atroph... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK563289/
Eradicating a bacterium with wild animal reservoir populations (deer, white-footed mice, black-legged ticks, all of which are endemic species) is ... a much harder problem.
https://reviverestore.org/projects/about-the-passenger-pigeo...