Intel CEO Letter to Employees

119 fancy_pantser 206 7/24/2025, 8:52:41 PM morethanmoore.substack.com ↗

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johngalt · 1h ago
The strangest part to me about the current trends: why do all these business leaders all do the same things at the same time? E.g. Layoffs + micromanagement + cost focus etc... Is this truly about macroeconomic forces that every business is responding to? Or is it just following the latest fad?

There seems to be significant opportunity to zig as others zag. Imagine the Intel letter saying "we are going to take advantage of the current hiring environment to scoop up talent, and push forward on initiatives."

SL61 · 37s ago
Remember that executives answer to the board of directors. The board's job is to make sure execs do things that make the company money, or in practical terms, "things the board thinks will make the company money".

A sensible, sober CEO would still need a lot of political capital to push back against a boardroom that's hounding them to jump on the latest hype train. You certainly won't get that from a CEO who just took that position a few months ago.

A sensible, sober boardroom that doesn't push their execs to jump on the hype train would need to answer to angry shareholders. It's almost certain that >50% will support the latest fad and would vote out a board that they perceive as being behind the times.

That's where startups and privately owned companies get their natural advantage of being able to go against the grain.

inetknght · 1h ago
> why do all these business leaders all do the same things at the same time? E.g. Layoffs + micromanagement + cost focus etc... Is this truly about macroeconomic forces that every business is responding to? Or is it just following the latest fad?

I thought about this a lot over the years.

I saw something that piqued my interest last year though, and kind've helped connect the dots. I was on a cruise, and most of the ship was available to guests. One day, one room was cordoned off to an invite-only meeting. The windows weren't blocked, but on the screen was a presentation about AI investments, number of jobs saved (reduced), and etc.

I found one of the attendants later during the voyage and chatted her up. She was head of HR in some big company, and the meeting was supposed to be private. But it contained a lot more than just spreadsheets about AI investments. There was homework and whatnot, but the attendees weren't all from a single company. It was "direction setting". I don't think it was Intel (topic under discussion) but certainly some loosely related tech industry.

I'm convinced that it was nothing less than business collusion.

So, back to your question:

> why do all these business leaders all do the same things at the same time?

Because they're told to.

DragonStrength · 1h ago
The Capital Order lays out an argument that austerity measures are ultimately labor suppression, not necessary. Of course, that’s true of many pieces of policy wisdom: they start from an assumed good. In this case, the assumed good is the current winners should remain the winners despite, well, losing.

https://www.amazon.com/Capital-Order-Economists-Invented-Aus...

mathgeek · 1h ago
> I'm convinced that it was nothing less than business collusion.

Wonder if it’s “not illegal” if it’s done in international waters.

inetknght · 1h ago
> Wonder if it’s “not illegal” if it’s done in international waters.

I didn't ask. As I understand it, it's less about legality and more about plausible deniability; on a "party boat" with plenty of other public people to make it cheaper than renting a whole boat, plus the week for the cruise and time to relax -- seems plausible that these people "just happened" to book the same boat at the same time at peak tourist season and decide to throw a "private party". I should have asked more questions, but there were plenty of other people to chat up.

wahnfrieden · 1h ago
Heaven forbid the workers within or across any of these companies also consider coordinating on anything
devinplatt · 13m ago
That's basically what the founders of Intel did, when they left Shockley to start Fairchild: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traitorous_eight
markus_zhang · 1h ago
The elites definitely unite first.
lbrito · 1h ago
That would be (gasp) _communism_!
cebert · 41m ago
Unionization isn’t necessarily communism.
lbrito · 26m ago
Tell that to the very fervently anti-union people in the US.
dingnuts · 9m ago
this isn't Reddit
saubeidl · 43m ago
The capitalist class has always conspired to keep labor down.

Meanwhile, a lot of laborers in our profession have fallen for their propaganda of markets and so-called meritocracy, not realizing they have more in common with the fruit picker than their common exploiter.

Class warfare is real. It's time tech workers wake up to that fact and start fighting back instead of letting oligarchs walk over them.

supportengineer · 24m ago
Don't they realize that if they raise the labor class up, they will correspondingly raise themselves up by a multiple?
jrk · 1h ago
Intel’s situation in 2025 is not comparable to the rest of big tech. They have lost technical leadership, bled market share, and started losing a ton of money in a hugely capital-intensive business. They are actually in need of major triage to survive, not just hopping on a belt-tightening trend among still-massively-profitable software companies.
mbac32768 · 36m ago
Yes this. Intel is in deep shit. This is exactly the thing you'd expect their new CEO to say right now.
ryandrake · 1h ago
It's almost as if CEOs aren't really that smart or creative, got to their position through mostly politics, and look externally for clues about what to do.
thbb123 · 1h ago
CEOs like to brag about how AI is going to replace skilled workers. Yet, it should be obvious to anyone having experience in LLMs that top executives are the jobs that are most likely replaceable by AI.

Just keep smooth talking everyone into cost reductions and make arbitrary decisions to make it feel like you're actually in charge.

andsoitis · 1h ago
> anyone having experience in LLMs that top executives are the jobs that are most likely replaceable by AI.

That’s not my assessment. Why do you say that?

dylan604 · 1h ago
Wouldn't that be funny to see an AI bot replace the CEO of something like Boeing, and then see the company turn around in positive moves? Feed an LLM all of the business data that a CEO would have and then ask it to make the same decisions the CEO would be expected to make. Since layoffs would be the trend online for LLMs to train on, would they come up with slop that looks like they too follow the trends? If companies are willing to replace dev with AI, why are boards not looking at all of the C-suite offices with the same mindset?
DaveZale · 1h ago
Same with the Federal Reserve. Why not continuously adjust interest rates, instead of all of Wall Street agonizing over each decision made?
dylan604 · 55m ago
How would not adjusting vs always adjusting be any different? Is it not a made decision to leave it alone and not change it?
90s_dev · 49m ago
It seems to me that a large percentage of jobs exist just to exist, and that they use their continued existence to justify their continued existence. I wonder how much the world would keep spinning if 90% of people were laid off. Maybe we'll find out if AI is adopted widely enough...
meindnoch · 1h ago
You can't put an LLM in charge of a company. You need an actual human to take legal responsib- oh, wait a second...
DaveZale · 1h ago
same with directors. BODs are incestuous, inbred.

The letter seemed contradictory: be a factory, but innovate on AI. Is AI actually smart? Human brains use the power of a dim incandescent light bulb, why does AI require so much power, that the processing chips overheat?

Sure, selected tasks can be done orders of magnitude faster, but do we, for example, really need that kind of output, like pi to a trillion digits? Or AI controlling stock market trading? How much liquidity is necessary for traders other than huge funds?

supportengineer · 22m ago
"Please, speak as you might to a young child or a Golden Retriever. It wasn't brains that got me here, I can assure you that."
sokoloff · 22m ago
> There seems to be significant opportunity to zig as others zag. Imagine the Intel letter saying "we are going to take advantage of the current hiring environment to scoop up talent, and push forward on initiatives."

I've pitched that a couple times in my career. The difficulty is that, in a lot of cases, your future business prospects are genuinely correlated with other businesses. Intel is going to sell fewer CPUs in the next 3 years if other businesses aren't hiring and expanding as quickly as they did during COVID. And I think there's a pretty good reason to think that Intel's revenues will actually shrink as a result. That limits how much zig they can do while others zag.

SlowTao · 14m ago
It sounds cliche at this point. It is the focus on the next quarter, next year at best that drives a lot of this due to appeasing the great god of the shareholders.

I think they should do what you say but shareholders are looking for the quickest, best returns now, not in a few years time.

barkingcat · 7m ago
You only need to look at board membership overlap between all companies (all companies, not just tech)

You'll find the same names appearing over and over again.

The reason all companies seem to do the same thing at the same time is that their boards are all the same people giving the same order to all their companies' ceo's at the same time.

markus_zhang · 1h ago
There are CEOs and there are CEOs. My hunch is, most of them are just managers pushed out by investors, who have interests in multiple companies, maybe even multiple industries. That’s why they coordinated so easily.

But there are CEOs who define an industry. Those are not easily swayed by big capital.

dayjah · 28m ago
For counter argument sake, if a highly regarded company says: “we’re going in a hiring spree”, all of that available talent adds 50% to their comp ask.

Broadly speaking though, I think you’re experiencing confirmation bias to some degree. If you only look at companies that are on the struggle bus, then you only see a limited number of levers that management has (RIF, delay CapEx, etc). Other struggling companies that don’t take evasive maneuvers go out of business and we don’t hear the story.

Alupis · 1h ago
Many times it's a "watershed" moment.

Most of these businesses are feeling the same pressures and experiencing the same problems... in silence. Eventually one of their competitors breaks (because they are forced to due to economic realities, etc) and starts making necessary moves (layoffs, efficiency improvements, etc). The rest follow-suit, breathing a collective sigh of relief that they weren't the first to make all the headlines.

Lammy · 1h ago
Same as it ever was except they learned not to write it down lol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_L...
vchere · 1h ago
The reason is always a secret coalition with a cool hand sign like the Illuminati.

But speaking of combining forces, Microsoft will be more likely to pick them up in a fire sale now, which I think would be best for all involved. Then you’re a couple of M&As away with first Dell and then Oracle.

Then they will select a champion to fight the Pentavirate at The Meadows!!

slefsacrifice · 40m ago
> the Pentavirate at The Meadows!!

Nice “So I Married an Axe Murderer” reference!

It appears that Lip-Bu used an LLM to help write this memo. Also: 15% of staff with an arbitrary 50% management? Boy, he must have been up all night working on that one! Maybe everyone can have an ice cream social when they return- bring your own.

kevmo · 31m ago
It's not about fads. It's just collusion.

American markets have largely consolidated into oligopolies, where just a handful of very large companies operate. It's extremely easy for them to wink at each other and then raise prices/layoff workers, etc.

This is also being accelerated by the unregulated software market that lets the corporations hide behind algorithms, as we recently saw with realty. https://www.npr.org/2024/08/23/nx-s1-5087586/realpage-rent-l...

The end of ZIRP was the bat signal to corporate America to begin layoffs.

kindkang2024 · 37m ago
> why do all these business leaders all do the same

Simple. These companies need enough 'fitness' in order to survive and thrive. No one has the power to fight against the Nature’s Wille—survival of the fittest. They have to obey, especially when faced with the ruthless, life-and-death competition of the commercial world.

P.S. Hoping this comment doesn’t get downvoted too much and end up dead, not surviving.

TylerE · 33m ago
Because they're trying to make Number Go Up(TM) not run a business. Wall Street ruins everything.
cyberax · 1h ago
> The strangest part to me about the current trends: why do all these business leaders all do the same things at the same time?

Because they all studied the same MBA programs.

Coffeewine · 6m ago
> Across client and data center, I’ve directed our teams to define next-generation product families with clean and simple architectures, better cost structures and simplified SKU stacks. In addition, I have instituted a policy where every major chip design is reviewed and approved by me before tape-out. This discipline will improve our execution and reduce development costs.

One would hope they would figure out if a design was a good fit for the company well before tapeout. Ideally before they were done with the rtl.

lynguist · 1h ago
Intel headcount in 2022 was 131,900. Intel’s projected headcount for 2025 is 75,000. Intel fired 43% of its staff over the course of 3 years (when approximating natural retirements at zero and assuming a stop in new employments).
ac29 · 33m ago
> Intel headcount in 2022 was 131,900.

Not sure if you intentionally picked the all time high headcount, but you did.

Intel's headcount was relatively stable between 100-110k people between 2014 and 2021 [0]. So, getting down to 75k is definitely still a major reduction, but 2022 was also an outlier. A lot of companies overhired during Covid, and Intel particularly was the beneficiary of WFH pulling in a lot of corporate spending on laptops etc.

[0] https://morethanmoore.substack.com/p/intel-2025-q1-financial...

tibbar · 48m ago
It's honestly impressive. Even during the major tech cuts of 2022-2023, I think many companies ended up about the same size or a even little larger over the course of a year, due to all the other hiring happening and the fact that the cuts may have partially overlapped with existing performance management anyway. 43% an incredible shrinkage for any company in such a short timescale.
mlsu · 1h ago
Another flipflop. Canceling the Germany fab, bringing SMT back.

> Looking further ahead, we’re developing Intel 14A as a foundry node from the ground up in close partnership with large external customers. This is essential to designing a process that meets specific customer requirements and enables us to address a broader segment of the market. Going forward, our investment in Intel 14A will be based on confirmed customer commitments. There are no more blank checks. Every investment must make economic sense. We will build what our customers need, when they need it, and earn their trust through consistent execution.

are these large external customers in the room with us right now?

wbeckler · 52m ago
I hope that pun is intentional.
BeetleB · 26m ago
whatever1 · 2h ago
So cut headcount and pray that things will get better! Inspiring vision! It will definitely work !
neverrroot · 32m ago
It worked for Twitter, very well from an IT point of view.
owebmaster · 26m ago
It works great for Twitter. Every other month there is a strategy failure to get some media attention.
neverrroot · 23m ago
I still remember the doom preached at the crossroads. Guess what happened over the next years.
lossolo · 3m ago
They didn't go down, but the lack of staff is starting to show in some areas. For example, clicking on certain links in their developer docs leads nowhere. There are also API issues, such as disappearing likes. Everything has its consequences.
geodel · 24m ago
I mean hiring a lot over years did not make things any better so why not try the reverse.
ryandrake · 1h ago
It wouldn't be the first time an Intel CEO resorted to prayer[1] as their business implodes.

1: https://www.threads.com/@masiosare/post/C-SoS6qJbU6?hl=en

combinator_y · 1h ago
lol I forgot about this one, Intel have a very big collection of weirdo execs I guess.
stevenAthompson · 1h ago
You're missing the point. Sure, they're going to just keep doing what they've always done, but this time they're going to do it HARDER and with 15% fewer people!
javier2 · 1h ago
So just like the plan they executed in 2023 and 2024! It must start working at some point right?
Coffeewine · 46s ago
Admittedly, just because something hasn’t bourn fruit doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a bad plan. All they need is a major stumble by TSMC or AMD or some tailwinds themselves and they could start looking much better.
givemeethekeys · 1h ago
The beatings will continue until morale improves. Layoffs and Return to Office!

Imagine doing what all your competitors are doing while being one of the least desirable big tech companies to work for.

What could possibly go wrong? /s

gishglish · 57m ago
> Imagine doing what all your competitors are doing while being one of the least desirable big tech companies to work for.

Good thing you have very few of them because your industry is way too capital intensive to start a competitor now.

I am generally curious what capitalisms proposed solution to this problem is.

givemeethekeys · 27m ago
Every large tech company is a competitor for Intel's talent.
MPSFounder · 33m ago
Offshore. There's your solution bud
DebtDeflation · 1h ago
He will announce they're selling the foundry business within the next 12-18 months. I'm certain of it.
donmcronald · 44m ago
That would suck.

I bought INTC to hold for 10-20 years based on the promise of long term investment in domestic manufacturing. I didn't care if they took a decade to battle back. Seeing them sell of the foundry business would be enough for me to cut my losses before the titanic hits the ocean floor. They'd be a walking corpse at that point IMO.

cubefox · 46m ago
To Nvidia?
twoodfin · 35m ago
If I were Nvidia, the last thing I’d want is a foundry. Much better to have multiple capital-intensive suitors—and governments!—bending over backwards for my business.
axoltl · 17m ago
It'd be the final piece of Apple's vertical integration puzzle.
cubefox · 2m ago
Apple is mostly selling mobile devices, so power efficiency is very important. Which means they need cutting edge TSMC nodes. For Nvidia, being server based, power efficiency (electricity cost) is less a concern I believe.
delfinom · 3m ago
Why would Apple want a foundry years behind anything TSMC is doing?
papichulo2023 · 1h ago
The most of interesting part for me is the acked that dropping SMT was a mistake. I wonder if this means the end of E and P cores.
jeffbee · 1h ago
They are saying SMT for data center. There are no heterogeneous Intel CPUs for that market, right?
rybosworld · 1h ago
Rant:

There are too many companies out there that started with a good product/service - and then bureaucrats took over. Smart companies minimize layers of management, and manager headcount. Bad companies don't - and they eventually are unable to grow/innovate. A shockingly high percentage of corporate America is parasitic management.

Intel happens to be in an industry that moves so fast that this doesn't work for long, relatively.

javier2 · 51m ago
Either way, Intel needs to get their new fabs sorted out and improve their products. There will be money to be made if Intel can get back the energy efficiency crown. The GPU division are starting to actually enter the lower market segment, but drivers leave a lot to be desired. Reducing work force even more just tells me they have no clue how to fix these issues and are grasping hard.
donmcronald · 40m ago
It's not just drivers. I'd line up to buy a a couple 24GB B580s to play around with local AI, but they're only going to be available in workstation systems. When it gets to the point where you're losing, but still won't sell people things they want, I think it's a good indicator that management is just plain dumb.
LtWorf · 45m ago
My company is increasing the manager headcount greatly! I suspect it's related to changing to a CTO from USA instead of one from EU.

I don't even know who my boss actually is now.

AdrianB1 · 1h ago
It is not the layers of management that is the problem, it is the quality of management. While great engineers mind their own business and deliver great products, the people that are not great engineers manage their way into management. They are more and more incompetent and corrupt and this is killing the companies, slowly or not that slow. So it is incompetent and corrupt management, not too much management.
readthenotes1 · 1h ago
About 70 years ago, C Northcote Parkinson (of Parkinson's Law fame) wrote an essay on "injellitance" that you might enjoy.
wslh · 1h ago
More here, Forbes 1989 article: https://adamsmitheconomics.wordpress.com/2010/05/02/how-do-y...

It seems like the author of this article requires another reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Brimelow

iamleppert · 1h ago
You can tell from the tone of this letter and the bizarre reference to agenetic AI he is completely clueless. Compare this to someone like Jensen, a nerd's nerd who gets up on stage with the latest GPU, can talk about new CUDA API's and goes deep on specs like memory bandwidth. He knows exactly who his customer is, and what kinds of workloads they run for AI.

It's just such a massive difference. You can tell Lip-Bu spends his weekends playing golf while Jensen is checking out the latest model from Huggingface.

You can't buy passion or genuine interest in what you're doing.

fossuser · 1h ago
It's one reason why founders matter so much and why founder led companies often have better outcomes.

Intel is in trouble, it's not clear how or if they'll be able to get out of the hole they're in. Their only saving grace is natsec concerns and even that may not be enough to save them. I was hoping Gelsinger would be able to do it, but it was too late.

akmarinov · 2h ago
> 15% headcount reduction to 75,000

> Return to office in September

So 15% reduction now and another stealth reduction in September

hn8726 · 2h ago
The letter says

> we plan to end the year with a global workforce of about 75,000 employees as a result of workforce reductions and attrition

so it looks like the explicit reduction might be lower, but accounting for people leaving on their own, the final amount of employees should be ~75k

GuinansEyebrows · 2h ago
"attrition" is in the plan :)
rwmj · 1h ago
And if we get them to resign, we save money on redundancies.
computegabe · 2h ago
> 2. Revitalize the Intel x86 Ecosystem

Extremely sad. What's the justification for ignoring ARM / RISC-V?

Tuna-Fish · 1h ago
What competitive advantage does Intel have with either of those? ARM winning would be a catastrophe for Intel, and RISC-V would only be slightly better.

But the main reason to focus on x86 is that it has 47 years of existing software built for it, and with the high end mostly still on it, more gets made every day.

samrus · 1h ago
Thats like saying why should kodak focus on digital cameras. Intel could throw its muscle behind RISC-V and beat the other big boys there
Panzer04 · 1h ago
There's no fundamental difference between risc, arm and x86. It looks like when all else is equal (fab, die size) the chips tend to have about the same performance characteristics - so why mess with what's working?
sgjohnson · 21m ago
x86 is the WORST modern architecture if performance-per-watt is considered. And extra power consumption means extra heat.

The only reason why I even still have an x86 PC is to play videogames. For all other purposes I’ve got ARM machines.

tester756 · 13m ago
What is the energy efficiency difference between x86 and ARM expressed as %?

<1%? 1%? 2%?

https://chipsandcheese.com/p/arm-or-x86-isa-doesnt-matter

dom96 · 1h ago
If there is no fundamental difference, then why aren't there more x86 mobile phones out there?
wmf · 8m ago
Probably no one will believe this but it's just because Intel didn't put much effort into the phone Atom chips. They could have been really good.
tester756 · 10m ago
x86, ARM, etc. are huge ecosystems and things are orders of magnitudes more complex than we use those letters vs you use these letters for ISA.

The answer for your question can be: because somebody didn't put enough effort / attention to make it work

Is it true? I dont know, but can be

trynumber9 · 1h ago
AMD is making money on x86 servers. Is anyone making money doing commodity (i.e. not captive) ARM / R5 server chips for sale? Ampere is losing money and hoping for acquisition.
snvzz · 14m ago
There's none.

RISC-V is inevitable.

Intel will simply miss the train, and go under.

Unlike Intel, AMD isn't clueless. After Zen6, it will likely release good RISC-V chips with some sort of x86 acceleration for unprivileged code as selling point, remaining relevant and securing themselves market share during the (inevitable) transition.

tomrod · 2h ago
$$$+patents
pydanny · 2h ago
Return to office so you can join zoom meetings!
mandevil · 1h ago
I feel like one of the under-appreciated problems with modern society (1) is the sheer quantity of lies we are surrounded with. RTO is just the current most blatant example ('this will make you more productive/more efficient/more creative' whatever) in the American economy of people saying lies knowing that they will never be held to account for those lies. All of these lies together are corrupting and destroying civil society, destroying the sense of trust necessary for people to work together, to respect and trust institutions, and to build a better world.

As the excellent series Chernobyl put it (in the words crafted by a writer, not an actual scientist) "Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth" and at some point someone is going to have to pay all of those debts.

1: Here I'm focusing on Anglosphere/largely US and UK societies, as a monolingual American that's all I can effectively comment on.

kazinator · 2h ago
The other day I came to the office to join a Google Meet meeting. Another person near me was also in it, with their laptop speaker on. I'm hearing my headphones and their speaker, plus also them acoustically when it's their turn to speak. So I picked up my laptop and buggered off to a small meeting room where I closed the door and sat alone.
LtWorf · 44m ago
Ah well at least you got a laptop. At the office I have a desktop so I can't do that.
giancarlostoro · 2h ago
My favorite part about working hybrid is that no matter what, nobody meets in person, except the managers once a week, everything else is a Teams meeting at your desk.
konfusinomicon · 1h ago
it's called collaboration, and thanks to those sets of complementary off brand noise canceling headphones that welcomed you back to a desk, it's clearly increasing!
giancarlostoro · 1h ago
I find it such a darn waste. I spend anywhere from one to two hours commuting on what some consider one of the deadliest highways here, not sure how I-4 fares against the rest of the country though. Accidents every single day it feels like.
0cf8612b2e1e · 40m ago
Ha! They took away my desk, hotelling space for everyone. At least when the layoffs come, easier to pack.
giancarlostoro · 6m ago
They did this here too, then learned everyone goes back to the same desk, so they're going to do away with it is what I heard.
LtWorf · 43m ago
Mine aren't even noise cancelling, and are so terribly designed that my skull gets painful after just 5 minutes of wearing them.

But I can (at least for now) wfh for the most part.

Insanity · 2h ago
If one would be skeptical about leadership, one might assume that this is a forcing function for people to quit ahead of the layoffs.. :)
IshKebab · 2h ago
Yeah make the best people who can easily get a job elsewhere quit. Great strategy Intel.
tayo42 · 1h ago
What companies are you all going to then?

There's like 10 that pay alot, actually hiring, and have remote work available.

__s · 41m ago
If you're good, the people you've worked with who've left before will make headcount for you where they are now
hibikir · 1h ago
I know a place doing RTO where most teams are at least 50% contractors from Central and South America. You can imagine how productive the office might be for those people, given that everyone is on zoom all day, and there's a whole 4 meeting rooms in a floor with 50 people.
markus_zhang · 1h ago
TBF it can also be Google Meet and MS Team ones…
wtf2025 · 1h ago
I’ve not ever had to experience that particular management style, but I think it’s the one where they don’t give a rat’s ass about their employees or unique thought.

I’d also hoped that some major semiconductor company would NOT embrace AI, just so they could differentiate themselves: “Our shit may be too slow for the Terminator to use, but it was designed by and for humans to use as air-gapped spreadsheet running machines with USB-key sneakernet email.”

Given that there is a growing backlash towards LLMs by the general public (not just one writers’ guild), that might sell some stock.

stevenAthompson · 2h ago
Has anyone backtested a stock bot that just shorts every company doing RTO? It's clearly a leading indicator for company collapse.
generic92034 · 1h ago
> It's clearly a leading indicator for company collapse.

So, Amazon, Apple, ... are close to collapse?

mschuster91 · 1h ago
Creatively? Yes, definitely, at least for Amazon. IMHO, for that company there is an internal battle what they want to be: a webshop filled with garbage or a cloud hyperscaler? The way the web shop is degrading, I strongly assume that Amazon will attempt to exit that business sooner or later.

As for Apple, I do love their hardware, but the software side has seen better days.

generic92034 · 35m ago
As the previous poster was talking about finance and the stock market I doubt some kind of "creative collapse" was meant.
samrus · 2h ago
Agentic AI? How exactly does a chip manufacturer focus on agentic AI? Thats software. How does riding that hype bubble help them male better chips?
wmf · 2h ago
This sounds like reassurance that they aren't chasing last year's trends. On a technical level I don't know of any difference between inference and agentic inference.
samrus · 1h ago
There is none. Thats what im saying. There is literally no difference to the gpu between running a nueral network for a normal LLM and for agentic AI.
ZiiS · 2h ago
Wanting to be Nvidia is fairly understandable.
aleph_minus_one · 1h ago
I am not sure whether NVidia's luck will continue to last as it is currently.
roboror · 27m ago
Is driving down the roads you paved luck?
Zigurd · 23m ago
NVidia is a great company, with a phenomenal product that they competently developed and made dominant. There was a big element of luck in that, but it won't continue forever no matter how smart and diligent they are.

It feels like the whole magnificent seven thing and the the way they are holding up an overvalued stock market is driving some desperate decision-making. Like 12 more billion dollars for XAI to buy more Nvidia GPUs does XAI have any revenue at all?

zahllos · 1h ago
And Intel do make GPUs.
curious_cat_163 · 2h ago
Oh, I don't know. Maybe build chips that do things 10x more efficiently and sell them a lower cost to compete?

It _is_ a hype bubble but it is also an S-curve. Intel has missed the AI boat so far, if they are trying to catch up, I would encourage them to try. Building marginally better x86 chips might not cut it anymore.

samrus · 1h ago
Thats fine. Great even. But thats just normal nueral net inference. Why mention agentic AI over just AI? The gpu doesnt care if the inference is being done for object detection or chain of thought. Intel can only make gpus, their products dont care about the software at the app level.

Maybe they mean the more vram needed for agentic AI? but then the sane thing to say would be that theyll offer more compute for AI.

its just an unhinged thing for a chip manufacturer to say.

wrs · 56m ago
Intel makes a lot of software. In addition to internal tools, they try to make things go faster on their chips (e.g. the Intel C++ compiler), and try to accelerate new areas of software so people will need more chips (this focus varies over time, of course).
lbrito · 57m ago
Isn't hardware software-designed though?
insane_dreamer · 10m ago
focusing its chip + software designs on inference and running ai agents, not on training models

software tools are essential to driving chip adoption; it's one reason why Nvidia got ahead (CUDA)

xt00 · 1h ago
Inference / Agentic AI implies "running models performantly using CPU cores" most likely (maybe with some optimizations / special AVX512 stuff) -- so essentially "welp, no sense in trying to build GPU's, we are too far behind nvidia to catch up".
wickedsight · 2h ago
For the same reason Kodak presented KodakCoin... The stock price boost of joining the herd.
bongodongobob · 2h ago
Are you suggesting that agentic AI is only used to write software?
samrus · 1h ago
No im saying that agnetic AI itself is software. The parts that require hardware is just the neural network. The agentic part is all in software. So how does intel focus on agentic AI beyond just making better datacenter gpus? That like a farmer saying they're gonna focus on wedding cakes; they make wheat, the wehat will get used for whatever demand exists down the line, they can only focus on making the best wheat they can?

Is this just marketing?

einrealist · 2h ago
Will be answered by the ASI - soon. /s

But to be serious: Intel creates software too (compilers for example). Nvidia does provide software too. Its also nice to sell licenses.

bearcobra · 2h ago
In the context of the the lack of confidence investors seem to have in Intels long term vision this makes sense but it really doesn't feel like a good sign for their future
cherryteastain · 2h ago
> we have decided not to move forward with previously planned projects in Germany and Poland

Did they end up getting any German/EU money to build that cutting edge foundry? EU's chip strategy seems to be in shambles, and they took their eyes off the ball since the end of the Covid chip crisis.

mgol94 · 1h ago
They were planning to receive $1.8bn of aid from Poland[0], not sure how much they actually received

[0] https://www.gov.pl/web/cyfryzacja/inwestycja-intela-w-polsce...

TechDebtDevin · 2h ago
Its happening, the CEO's are using ChatGPT to write the letters they use to lay off people with. What an awesome future!
meepmorp · 1h ago
I for one would welcome our new AI overlords a bit more if C-suite jobs were the get first ones LLM'd into obsolescence.
poszlem · 2h ago
"Streamline" must be one of the most weaselly buzzwords floating around today's corporate jargon, and, for some inexplicable reason, LLMs seem particularly fond of it too.
generationP · 2h ago
When I get fired, the news better come in an email titled "Steps in the Right Direction".

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java-man · 2h ago

  I have instituted a policy where every major chip design is reviewed and approved by me
A surefire path to success!
kgeist · 2h ago
A friend of mine recently quit his job because the CEO insisted on personally reviewing and approving designs. The thing is, as a CEO, he was super busy with other CEO stuff, so my friend could only get small time slots, like 5 to 15 minutes every few days.

Each time, the CEO would give tons of small, random suggestions, then disappear for several days before reviewing again. He'd request more tweaks, then repeat the cycle. Because of all this back and forth, even simple tasks that should've taken a couple of days ended up dragging on for a month.

In the end, my friend got so frustrated with the whole process that he just quit.

viraptor · 2h ago
But also somehow

> We will become a faster, more agile and more vibrant company. We will eliminate bureaucracy and empower engineers to innovate with greater speed and focus.

It really is a weird PR piece rather than serious communication.

samrus · 1h ago
Chatgpt thought it fit
_verandaguy · 2h ago
We're surely no more than 18 months away from the world's first 4nm micromanagement processor!
wnevets · 2h ago
Is that something a CEO of a massive company like Intel actually has the time to do in an impactful way? I'm no chip designer but a major chip design sounds incredibly complex and would require a tremendous amount of time & effort to review meaningfully.
wmf · 1h ago
It sounds more like "Why are we making this chip? If you don't have a good answer, it's canceled."
fsloth · 1h ago
Strong Jensen Huang cosplay vibes here but I see some missing elements for this approach to be very effective.
jiggawatts · 1h ago
I consult for large bureaucracies where this kind of thing is occasionally enforced.

There’s nothing more fun than a carefully thought out cohesive design that takes into account all business and technical constraints being randomly “improved” by a too-busy senior manager who’s been “off the tools” for decades.

“You should switch to NoSQL.” — a nearly verbatim quote from a meeting just last week. No justification or elaboration, just… abandon a relational database platform with two decades of built up business value on a whim.

“Rejoice! For you have been managed!”

mattkevan · 46m ago
I used to work for a chief exec like that. They’d see something on someone’s screen and demand changes, destroying months of carefully planned work with a single comment.

In the end, we’d build in ‘breakpoints’ - things that we knew they’d pick up on and want to change so they felt like they’d had some input without damaging anything important. This worked very well.

wnevets · 17m ago
Just remove the duck
wmf · 2h ago
Apple worked that way; maybe it still does. If a product wasn't important enough for Steve Jobs to review it then they simply didn't develop that product.
I-M-S · 2h ago
Apple was built around Steve Jobs - he didn't parachute in the company like your average bean-counting CEO does
supportengineer · 27m ago
This is what I wonder about Elon Musk. In retrospect, of course humans could build sexy electric cars, reusable rocket boosters, and ubiquitous satellite data services. But humans, or perhaps more accurately, corporations and governments, DID NOT do those things.

It takes an overwhelmingly powerful personality to get anything done, despite the fact there are billions of capable people on this planet.

geodel · 19m ago
Yeah, at best those billions are capable of taking orders and executing it.
samrus · 1h ago
Yeah but there arent alot of people like steve jobs out there. Despite what these CEOs think
supportengineer · 26m ago
Corporations and governments have strong incentives to squash such people.
scarface_74 · 1h ago
I can assure you that Tim Cook doesn’t review every product. I seriously doubt he even knows what’s going on with half of them. There is absolutely no way that he used the butterfly keyboards and said they were acceptable.

Compare that to Jobs who after he announced the iPhone and started using it, saw how much the screen scratched and went back to the drawing board and had then re-engineer it before it shipped six months later. He even announced they were doing it.

Better yet, the infamous “what does Mobile Me suppose to do?…Then why the f%%% doesn’t it do that?”.

You noticed that Cook didn’t wear the Vision Pro once during the introduction? Compare that to Jobs introductions of the iPhone and the iPad.

Rumors are, that Cook doesn’t even use a Mac day to day.

On the other hand, Jobs didn’t use a Mac after his return until OS X was released. He was also definitely not a fan of the Motorola phone with built in iTunes that he introduced on stage.

Can you imagine Cook writing an open letter on Apple.com like “Thoughts on Music” or “Thoughts on Flash”?

samrus · 1h ago
> Rumors are, that Cook doesn’t even use a Mac day to day.

This has to be false. Your telling me the CEO of apple is using windows 11? With ads in the start menu? Thatd be hilarious

wmf · 1h ago
Obviously he uses his iPhone for everything.
scarface_74 · 1h ago
An iPad.

But the CEO of Google did use a BlackBerry years after Android was introduced.

readthenotes1 · 1h ago
I think the true part of the rumor is that people misinterpreted a reporter reporting that the reporter did not use an apple mouse.

https://www.macrumors.com/2024/11/17/tim-cook-didnt-say-that...

cyberax · 1h ago
The current CEO is an MBA empty suit. His greatest accomplishment on Wikipedia is "being the most connected CEO".
0cf8612b2e1e · 1h ago
“Major” feels like a weasel word allowing for any level of review.

Given the number of “major” chips Intel produces-weren’t they already being presented to the C-Suite? What stealth chips were being sold without high level involvement?

stefan_ · 2h ago
This guy gave up his engineering degree for business administration. Actually that sounds like what Intel is.
AdmiralAsshat · 2h ago
No love lost for Intel if it goes away, other than that their Linux support has historically been great.
CoastalCoder · 1h ago
I wouldn't be thrilled about AMD having a de facto monopoly on x86 production through.

Granted, ISA is less crucial than it used to be, but there's still a lot of x86 binaries in the world.

heraldgeezer · 1h ago
>Granted, ISA is less crucial than it used to be

Depends on what you do.

Gaming PC = x86

Work laptop = x86

So AMD or Intel. "Switch to Mac" means ripping out the whole MS management stack. Or keep/move to 365 and Intune but tune it to Mac. Or keep 365 but move management to Jamf. Can be done ofc, but it's a process.

That's how I still see it. Maybe I'm out of touch :)

ori_b · 32m ago
> "Switch to Mac" means ripping out the whole MS management stack.

Surely that's not the only advantage?

heraldgeezer · 14m ago
bahahaha xddddd

Not but really, yes it is doable but takes time and hiring new admins or re-train.

Yes if you are company of 20 people go buy Macs and GSuite.

tumidpandora · 2h ago
what does "50% streamlining of management layers" mean?
rwmj · 1h ago
I'm assuming they look at the org chart, measure the max depth from the CEO to the lowliest employee, and cut that number by half. It's actually the least worse thing in this letter.
hibikir · 1h ago
Depending on which layers they cut. I know of a company that last year cut the bottom layer of management, giving managers an average of 20 reports. Maximum disruption
wmf · 1h ago
Four layers instead of eight? A large company could easily have IC -> manager -> senior manager -> director -> VP -> SVP -> CxO. Maybe Intel was even worse.
fullstackwife · 1h ago
Practically it is more than eight, because when multiple branches of managerial deposits cross on the project you are working on, all of sudden your work depends on decisions of dozens of people and their management chains.

Cutting this to four may give compound effect, but IMO this is focusing on the symptoms instead of the real causes like for example people being territorial or obsessed about their promo package. Convoluted managerial chain is often just a weapon to achieve your hidden agenda.

belval · 1h ago
You should see Amazon, some are CEO (Jassy) -> AWS CEO -> SVP -> VP -> VP -> Director -> Sr Manager -> Sr Manager -> Sr Manager -> Manager -> IC
unethical_ban · 1h ago
Including CEO, I have eight people in my management chain.
shawabawa3 · 1h ago
My understanding is that say the average employee had 6 levels of management up to CEO before, now they have 4
lnkl · 1h ago
Nothing, really
rvz · 1h ago
For those employed, the word "streamlining" is never good.
cubefox · 34m ago
For those who don't know: Intel lost its technological leadership in chip production to TSMC years ago, which means their chips are no longer competitive and have to be sold at a much lower profit margin or even use chips that are produced by TSMC, which leaves Intel little money to develop and build their chip fabs.

If they can't catch up, which seems somewhat likely at this point, they will have to sell their fab business (if anyone wants it) and focus on just designing CPUs, similar to AMD.

F0UKYOU-HN · 1h ago
Just the CEO giving 'Lip' service...

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atleastoptimal · 2h ago
Intel is in freefall. This seems to happen to most American companies that fail to reinvent themselves.
deelowe · 1h ago
I've worked under their leadership. Toxic does not begin to describe it. I'm not surprised at all they are in this state.
dlivingston · 1h ago
Anything juicy you can share?
rvba · 2h ago
Jack Welch thought strikes again
combinator_y · 1h ago
An excellent MBA bs soup summary from the retard in chief :

- "50% streamlining of management layers" : fire 50% and make the others do 200% ? or send some the lower level/tech roles ?

- "Return to office in September" : yeah good luck with that, people will comply, your efficiency will go down at least for the upcoming 2Q.

- "projects in Germany/Poland halted" : cheaper labor than the US with same talent depth.

- "Refocus AI strategy to inference and agentic AI" : holly F, how can he be as retarded as this, they should go all in on inference and get better at IT, after all this their domain (i.e hardware). Agentic AI means inference and shit tone of AI/ML domain specific stuff, which they don't have and it's too late to catch unless they acquire a big player.

enraged_camel · 2h ago
Intel is circling the drain. At this point I'm of the opinion that the sooner it dies the better. Its death will probably result in a lot of spin-offs and startups, which might be what the US chip industry needs.
duped · 2h ago
The federal government won't let Intel fail.
scheeseman486 · 1h ago
They may let them get bought, though.
Mistletoe · 2h ago
Maybe this is why they and Boeing are such a mess. The rich kid that can’t fail usually is a total screwup.
rwmj · 1h ago
The failson theory of business. Someone should write a book.
curious_cat_163 · 1h ago
That's an interesting way to look at it.

Aren't layoffs a version of that? Are we seeing any evidence that folks who have been let go from Intel have resulted in spin-offs and startups?

I know at least one person who went to work at Nvidia from Intel but that is neither of those things.

baq · 1h ago
already started happening in Oregon, which will probably be hit the hardest.
sshtml · 2h ago
They've already spun off their RealSense camera/sensor product line.
mullingitover · 1h ago
It'll never happen. It's the standard US playbook:

- Allow industry to consolidate to a tiny group of winners, or just one winner

- Turn a blind eye to anticompetitive behavior in the marketplace

- Protect the uncompetitive winner from innovative global competitors

- Bail it out because national security depends on it

It's funny because we don't have socialism, government doesn't 'own' heavy industries, but at the same time the major firms will obviously never be allowed to fail on national security grounds.

heraldgeezer · 1h ago
Hyberbipeline is back :DDDDDD

https://imgur.com/a/dvUSgA3

Honestly, good. AMD is amazing for laptop/desktop and server now, but may flop like Intel did. Always good with competition. But I need a new CPU and right now AMD is king.

Phone only plebs need not apply.

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micromacrofoot · 2h ago
"We're mad about NVidia and we're taking it out on you"
spwa4 · 2h ago
TLDR: "we've gotten ourselves into deep shit by saving money for shareholders. That caused a financial disaster so we'll fire 15% of you and save some more money. What could go wrong?"

Some mutterings were heard about the definition of insanity ...

Tuna-Fish · 1h ago
That's not really what got Intel into deep shit. They got where they are now by ignoring the main business, and spending giga$ on every trend they could stumble headfirst onto. The money returned to the shareholders was reasonable, all the written down acquisitions and failed product lines were not.

So far as the firings concentrate on all the ancillary stuff that Intel shouldn't have gotten into in the first place, it's positive.

snvzz · 11m ago
Anybody worth shit has already left for the RISC-V startups.
rvz · 1h ago
I see lots of doomers in here talking about Intel failing. Well, the truth is the government will just bail them out again.

But instead let's discuss some turnaround suggestions, starting with:

   (1) Acquiring at least one or two AI chip technology startups. (Lightmatter, Cerebrus, etc)

   (2) Assembling an AI hardware research team focused on efficient AI + software compatibility with existing AI accelerator libraries.

   (3) Investing heavily in the PyTorch team at Intel.
(1) is the most important and urgent action that Intel can do to sort out their issues.
ac29 · 28m ago
> (1) Acquiring at least one or two AI chip technology startups. (Lightmatter, Cerebrus, etc)

Intel spent $2B on Habana and it went nowhere. Too bad, the hardware seemed promising enough.

insane_dreamer · 14m ago
> bail them out again.

when did they get bailed out before? And don't say CHIPS because Intel only actually received $2B to build fabs - and that's only a tenth of the cost of building its new fab in Ohio. That's not a bailout.