No stupid it requires Israel to return the invaded territory. Stop erasing Palestinian state.
ASalazarMX · 8h ago
USA and the UK were also on the wrong side of the South African apartheid struggle. It's disheartening how the most horrible people keep deciding the fates of millions throughout history.
msgodel · 53m ago
Don't know why we're perusing anything over there. Do we have goals for India and Pakistan as well?
originalvichy · 18h ago
A sign of things to come for the natives of Greenland if they are invaded by Americans.
nhdjd · 18h ago
Trump and his buffoon class havent done anything major in their lives beyond Attention Capture.
We live in an Attention Economy that massively benefits Attention seekers.
So it become easy to mistake attention capture with getting complicated things done.
krapp · 18h ago
>Trump and his buffoon class havent done anything major in their lives beyond Attention Capture.
Tell that to California. Trump and his ilk are buffoons but they aren't simply putting on a show for the 'gram.
rickydroll · 17h ago
California and ICE actions in general are important to address, but I believe they were created as a distraction from the authoritarian provisions of the BBB tax bill.
AlecSchueler · 12h ago
You might believe that but their past behaviour, plans and reasoning have all been unpredictable and ostensibly irrational so there's really no reason to believe this over anything else. The next person could say they believe he wants to enact martial law, and the next could say it wasn't even an expected outcome.
In fact I bet there would be as many seemingly reasonable beliefs as there would be people willing to comment on it.
The only thing for sure is that we don't know and anyone outside the administration claiming a level of certainty around it is doing nothing more than confabulating.
bananapub · 15h ago
they can be, and in fact are, both horrific actions as well as distractions.
you need to deal with both the reality and the background at the same time rather than letting them get a pass for daily actions that would have had any previous president impeached and convicted.
AnimalMuppet · 15h ago
So? They're still real actions. Doesn't matter why they're being done, they're still happening.
And if Trump is doing this just as a distraction (I'm not convinced), then would he be willing to invade Greenland as a distraction too?
rickydroll · 6h ago
You are right, they are still happening, and Trump's minions are cranking up the temperature so they can justify more authoritarian actions.
They will use that. They'll use what's happening in LA to justify the need for more power vested in the president.
You're right, we do need to do something about ICEis, but it is urgent we do something about the authoritarian measures in BBB.
DaSHacka · 18h ago
It may have been a relatively slow response, but I don't think majorly so.
Hikikomori · 16h ago
Trump is just the tool of the heritage Foundation and the federalist society, project 2025 is their plan. If trump goes against them he'll be out in no time and their true puppet can take his place, Vance.
AnimalMuppet · 15h ago
I don't know about Vance. I don't think he's a true believer, but I could be wrong.
My best read on him is that his agenda is himself (to steal a line from Robert Parker). He's moving whichever way he needs to in order to continue to climb. I have no idea who he'd be as president.
But that's my impression. He could be on board with Project 2025 (as opposed to parroting it).
Hikikomori · 14h ago
He worked for Thiel and his political career was funded by Thiel, is friends with him and Curtis Yarvin, who is the originator of many of the things they're doing in project 2025.
He could be in it for himself and using them, but I think he's a believer as he keeps quoting and repeating ideas from Yarvin. I dont think that trump is a believer, he is using them to execute his revenge and gain power.
myth_drannon · 16h ago
Or Al-Andalus will never be freed from white colonizers.
chiefalchemist · 18h ago
Destabilization (e.g., military wars, trade wars, immigration wars, etc.) favors the strongest / wealthiest. Such chaos favors the status quo. The USA has no interest in peace in the Middle East.
nailer · 17h ago
The US just established the Abraham accords, with a large amount of majority Arab countries recognising Israel right before Hamas attacked. There’s a theory the attacks had a larger political goal which was to stop this widespread support for Jews living in their homeland.
spwa4 · 16h ago
No, you don't understand. US bad. Middle eastern "natives" good (the absurdity of calling anyone natives in a region that was conquered about 6 times, half the population deported and a fresh group of "loyal" subjects shipped in from elsewhere every 300 years since Julius Caesar vacationed in Egypt is too much for me)
Those natives just committed a large massacre? They're still good. Did a few massacres on their own people on the way? Still good.
US actually got close to a big peace deal? Still bad. The US doing everything for oil? EVIL! (... never mind that without oil the entire region, except Israel, would be worse than Afghanistan in every way imaginable, including human rights)
Hikikomori · 18h ago
No surprises here. The settler colonialist project continues.
SirFatty · 17h ago
You have it backwards..
austin-cheney · 18h ago
I honestly do not think a geographically separated Palestinian state would work exactly for the same reasons it did not work out for east Pakistan, which is now Bangladesh.
Clearly one of two things will ultimately occur:
1. A right wing Israeli government will eject non-citizen Arabs from the land either by settlement, starvation, or ejection. Then Israel will annex that land. This can only occur because everyone else implicitly authorizes it. This is the most likely scenario.
2. An international military coalition will invade and impose a military occupation like NATO did to the Balkans in the 1990s. This is easier than it sounds from a military perspective because Israel is small and simple to isolate. Just like Israel isolates the occupied territories they too can be isolated just the same. It’s only challenging from a political perspective.
d3ckard · 17h ago
Not challenging, but undoable. All parties capable of it will never do it.
My (quite pessimistic) prediction for Israel is that the moment US is busy somewhere else, neighbors will attack en masse.
nailer · 17h ago
Neighbours have always attacked en masse: in 1948 they attacked en masse and lost and a Jewish state was established, in 1967 they attacked en masse and lost and Israel gained Judea and Samaria / West bank, in 1973 they attacked en masse and lost. Plus various combinations of Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah attacking since, and losing.
d3ckard · 9h ago
Dear, past performance does not predict the future one. Israel hasn't done anything to build good will, on the opposite, they are increasingly negatively viewed, at least in Europe.
No stupid it requires Israel to return the invaded territory. Stop erasing Palestinian state.
We live in an Attention Economy that massively benefits Attention seekers.
So it become easy to mistake attention capture with getting complicated things done.
Tell that to California. Trump and his ilk are buffoons but they aren't simply putting on a show for the 'gram.
In fact I bet there would be as many seemingly reasonable beliefs as there would be people willing to comment on it.
The only thing for sure is that we don't know and anyone outside the administration claiming a level of certainty around it is doing nothing more than confabulating.
you need to deal with both the reality and the background at the same time rather than letting them get a pass for daily actions that would have had any previous president impeached and convicted.
And if Trump is doing this just as a distraction (I'm not convinced), then would he be willing to invade Greenland as a distraction too?
They will use that. They'll use what's happening in LA to justify the need for more power vested in the president.
You're right, we do need to do something about ICEis, but it is urgent we do something about the authoritarian measures in BBB.
My best read on him is that his agenda is himself (to steal a line from Robert Parker). He's moving whichever way he needs to in order to continue to climb. I have no idea who he'd be as president.
But that's my impression. He could be on board with Project 2025 (as opposed to parroting it).
He could be in it for himself and using them, but I think he's a believer as he keeps quoting and repeating ideas from Yarvin. I dont think that trump is a believer, he is using them to execute his revenge and gain power.
Those natives just committed a large massacre? They're still good. Did a few massacres on their own people on the way? Still good.
US actually got close to a big peace deal? Still bad. The US doing everything for oil? EVIL! (... never mind that without oil the entire region, except Israel, would be worse than Afghanistan in every way imaginable, including human rights)
Clearly one of two things will ultimately occur:
1. A right wing Israeli government will eject non-citizen Arabs from the land either by settlement, starvation, or ejection. Then Israel will annex that land. This can only occur because everyone else implicitly authorizes it. This is the most likely scenario.
2. An international military coalition will invade and impose a military occupation like NATO did to the Balkans in the 1990s. This is easier than it sounds from a military perspective because Israel is small and simple to isolate. Just like Israel isolates the occupied territories they too can be isolated just the same. It’s only challenging from a political perspective.
My (quite pessimistic) prediction for Israel is that the moment US is busy somewhere else, neighbors will attack en masse.
Some wars you lose.