American culture does an astonishingly horrible job of teaching empathy. Yes, for neurotypical people empathy can be taught just as sociopathic behaviors are often learned.
For me it took entering management in the military to really learn and appreciate empathy as a vital skill.
I really do tire of people with shit empathic abilities trying to Dunning-Kruger it with internalized sympathy. Sympathy does more harm than good at learning empathy. Call that tough love.
incomingpain · 2h ago
> I see that I was the one who didn’t get it.
Interesting how the article starts. She had a good heart and wanted to help fix a problem, but didnt consider the unintended consequences.
>Boys and men are less likely to turn to their communities for social connection and support. Less likely to go to college. More likely to die by suicide or overdose. Too often, instead of being met with care, they’ve been manipulated and handed division. Not just by podcast bros, but by a government that’s actively stoking the divide for their own political gain.
You're describing an existing divide and the republicans are seeking to help the situation. Why the rapid twist toward government stoking the divide? This is a problem well beyond 1 country.
>And while we’ve been distracted, our boys have been searching for connection and finding it in the worst places. Small men with loud voices who hold court over internet echo chambers, like Andrew Tate, offer them simplistic answers for all of their complicated fears and insecurities. Man up. Toughen up. Win at all costs. And those answers are harming boys and men. We failed to offer them belonging, so they’re grappling for control.
She still doesnt get it. Male relationships are simpler; they thrive on directness, loyalty and honesty. But social media labels that as against the rules.
When social media like reddit went wrong. You get the following problem.
>The issue at hand won’t be solved with better messaging, another podcast, or a new influencer to follow. We are not going to out-algorithm the “manosphere.
You cant out algorithm because you're applying female relationship rules to men and that's never going to work. This attempt to make men follow female rules was hilariously misguided and doomed to fail epicly. You've completely lost any audience on this subject. This is a dead subject for men now.
>We need schools that teach emotional literacy alongside academics. We need public investment in youth mental health. We need a “Men Who Nurse” and a “Guys Who Teach,” pipeline programs that can offer boys real pathways forward in fields that desperately need them.
your idea failed in the marketplace of ideas and your goal is the push it in schools anyway? You dont see the unintended consequences of this?
Men represent like 10% of nursing and 20% of teachers; but i very much doubt those 2 movements ever get the boost your girls who code ever got.
>And we need to tell our boys that the loudest voices with the simplest answers are often the most dangerous. Instead, real power listens, real might is judicious, and real leadership invites doubt. Often, real bravery sounds like, “I don’t know, but let’s figure it out together.”
This is your go-to strategy. Attack the 'manosphere' as dangerous and untrustworthy based on what?
Lets go back to how this started in how she didnt "get it"
She still doesnt get it. That's why Trump is in power and doing some batshit crazy stuff in her country.
Hojojo · 1h ago
I don't really understand any of your comment. Can you explain exactly how to solve all the problems that she's rightfully pointed out? I'm actually not sure what your problem is with what she says.
Or why you think pointing out the toxicity of the manosphere is a bad thing?
You actually didn't provide any arguments for why she's wrong and you didn't provide any better solutions either.
I took away much more from her post than I did your comment. All I see here is somebody who's firmly in the alt right bubble who doesn't like being called out.
For me it took entering management in the military to really learn and appreciate empathy as a vital skill.
I really do tire of people with shit empathic abilities trying to Dunning-Kruger it with internalized sympathy. Sympathy does more harm than good at learning empathy. Call that tough love.
Interesting how the article starts. She had a good heart and wanted to help fix a problem, but didnt consider the unintended consequences.
>Boys and men are less likely to turn to their communities for social connection and support. Less likely to go to college. More likely to die by suicide or overdose. Too often, instead of being met with care, they’ve been manipulated and handed division. Not just by podcast bros, but by a government that’s actively stoking the divide for their own political gain.
You're describing an existing divide and the republicans are seeking to help the situation. Why the rapid twist toward government stoking the divide? This is a problem well beyond 1 country.
>And while we’ve been distracted, our boys have been searching for connection and finding it in the worst places. Small men with loud voices who hold court over internet echo chambers, like Andrew Tate, offer them simplistic answers for all of their complicated fears and insecurities. Man up. Toughen up. Win at all costs. And those answers are harming boys and men. We failed to offer them belonging, so they’re grappling for control.
She still doesnt get it. Male relationships are simpler; they thrive on directness, loyalty and honesty. But social media labels that as against the rules.
When social media like reddit went wrong. You get the following problem.
>The issue at hand won’t be solved with better messaging, another podcast, or a new influencer to follow. We are not going to out-algorithm the “manosphere.
You cant out algorithm because you're applying female relationship rules to men and that's never going to work. This attempt to make men follow female rules was hilariously misguided and doomed to fail epicly. You've completely lost any audience on this subject. This is a dead subject for men now.
>We need schools that teach emotional literacy alongside academics. We need public investment in youth mental health. We need a “Men Who Nurse” and a “Guys Who Teach,” pipeline programs that can offer boys real pathways forward in fields that desperately need them.
your idea failed in the marketplace of ideas and your goal is the push it in schools anyway? You dont see the unintended consequences of this?
Men represent like 10% of nursing and 20% of teachers; but i very much doubt those 2 movements ever get the boost your girls who code ever got.
>And we need to tell our boys that the loudest voices with the simplest answers are often the most dangerous. Instead, real power listens, real might is judicious, and real leadership invites doubt. Often, real bravery sounds like, “I don’t know, but let’s figure it out together.”
This is your go-to strategy. Attack the 'manosphere' as dangerous and untrustworthy based on what?
Lets go back to how this started in how she didnt "get it"
She still doesnt get it. That's why Trump is in power and doing some batshit crazy stuff in her country.
Or why you think pointing out the toxicity of the manosphere is a bad thing?
You actually didn't provide any arguments for why she's wrong and you didn't provide any better solutions either.
I took away much more from her post than I did your comment. All I see here is somebody who's firmly in the alt right bubble who doesn't like being called out.