With any luck someone bough Chinese EV tariff carveout.
lerp-io · 31d ago
lmao
hunglee2 · 31d ago
I'm not sure how this is news - Trump has put America up for sale, with himself as the gatekeeper to the goods. You can't really blame the foreign actors anymore, they would be negligent in their own national interests if they did not exploit these invitations
belter · 31d ago
I am in favor of people getting exactly the consequences, of what they voted for :-)
hunglee2 · 30d ago
agree in sentiment, but this is not what is actually happening.
the optimal political system would variably reward / penalise voters based on their voting behaviour, not aggregate all voters (and non-voters for that matter) and apply the consequences to the entire group.
right now, non-Trump voters will suffer just the same amount as pro-Trump voters, leading to widespread (and justified) disillusionment with US style democracy
bigyabai · 30d ago
> the optimal political system would variably reward / penalise voters based on their voting behaviour
We fought the Civil War to stop this from happening. Man cannot govern himself alone, he has to be held accountable by his peers. To some degree this means that the federal government has to be able to lay down the law, even if it's not a populist sentiment. You aren't being punished for voting wrong, that's beyond any deterministic impact your vote had on the system.
> right now, non-Trump voters will suffer just the same amount as pro-Trump voters, leading to widespread (and justified) disillusionment
But your entire point in the preceding paragraph is that the suffering is an unjust byproduct of modern democracy. So, are individuals justified for their disillusionment, or simply butthurt over a working system that doesn't favor them?
The RNC and DNC both have a modern litany of sitting presidents that courted widespread suffering. We could bicker over who's worse, but the wheel has to run over somebody to keep rolling. I agree with Belter, not giving Americans Trump as a president would be a violation of causal consequences. It would be cleaner, safer, nicer, more profitable, less stressful and more productive to put someone else in his place, but it would also be wrong.
hunglee2 · 29d ago
Variable reward / penalties were practically impossible then, perfectly possible today. Right now democracy is 'voting without responsibility'.
Btw I never said 'not giving Americans Trump' - what I am saying US style democracy is increasing unable to produce competence at leadership. This is the second time don't forget. Time to iterate on the system
the optimal political system would variably reward / penalise voters based on their voting behaviour, not aggregate all voters (and non-voters for that matter) and apply the consequences to the entire group.
right now, non-Trump voters will suffer just the same amount as pro-Trump voters, leading to widespread (and justified) disillusionment with US style democracy
We fought the Civil War to stop this from happening. Man cannot govern himself alone, he has to be held accountable by his peers. To some degree this means that the federal government has to be able to lay down the law, even if it's not a populist sentiment. You aren't being punished for voting wrong, that's beyond any deterministic impact your vote had on the system.
> right now, non-Trump voters will suffer just the same amount as pro-Trump voters, leading to widespread (and justified) disillusionment
But your entire point in the preceding paragraph is that the suffering is an unjust byproduct of modern democracy. So, are individuals justified for their disillusionment, or simply butthurt over a working system that doesn't favor them?
The RNC and DNC both have a modern litany of sitting presidents that courted widespread suffering. We could bicker over who's worse, but the wheel has to run over somebody to keep rolling. I agree with Belter, not giving Americans Trump as a president would be a violation of causal consequences. It would be cleaner, safer, nicer, more profitable, less stressful and more productive to put someone else in his place, but it would also be wrong.
Btw I never said 'not giving Americans Trump' - what I am saying US style democracy is increasing unable to produce competence at leadership. This is the second time don't forget. Time to iterate on the system