I was going to do the "well akshually..." about HCFs because this article is so light on details. I used to work in a related field many years ago, and the attenuation of these fibers relegated them to niche applications (short-lengths that needed the odd properties of a hollow core, like ultra-high power transmission, low dispersion, low nonlinearity, etc.) They were orders of magnitude too lossy for long-haul telecommunications applications at the time.
But a quick search proved my knowledge was not up to date - here is the paper linked from the Laser Focus World blurb someone linked above. Looks like HCFs have achieved loss parity with traditional single-mode fused silica fibers, at least in the lab. Pretty amazing and cool if you ask me!
A key detail I found lacking in this article was the manufacturing cost difference. It mentions that it is more expensive, but no indication of how much more expensive.
GlibMonkeyDeath · 6h ago
A lot more expensive right now. But silica fiber manufacturing has been optimized like crazy for 50 years, so that's not a surprise.
From a high level, the preforms are a lot more complicated, and I imagine the draw process might be more unforgiving (in terms of size fluctuations of the cross-section), but I don't see anything that is going to be prohibitive or that will make the fiber itself 10x more expensive in the long run. Most of the cost of an undersea cable isn't in the silica anyway...
nine_k · 6h ago
> ultra-high power transmission
Does this mean that such fibers can be used with high-power lasers, like those used in tools and weapons?
GlibMonkeyDeath · 3h ago
Yep, that is what funded a lot of this research early on.
pletnes · 7h ago
Do the wave modes offer higher velocity?
GlibMonkeyDeath · 6h ago
Yes, basically most of the electromagnetic wave is in the hollow (gas-filled) core, which is going to have an index closer to 1 (as opposed to ~1.4 for silica fibers.)
ksec · 8h ago
Hollow-core optical fibers may have a bright future [1], along with another HN thread from 8 years ago [2], I have longed for these cables where we could cut Japan to New York latency by 50ms.
Unfortunately we dont seems to be anywhere close to it.
No... hollow core fibers are being installed as a test in some data centers now/this year. Who knows how many years it will take to (re)make an oceanic backbone (and the prices…)
RationPhantoms · 3h ago
I'd also argue that the 50ms reduction time benefit with HCF has waned with the introduction of HFT (High Frequency Trading) over LEO links with lasers.
exabrial · 7h ago
This is fascinating. As an engineer, my mind always goes to: "what are the practical challenges":
* How do you splice without crushing the core?
* How do you terminate/splice and maintain vacuum?
* How do you terminate at all
frainfreeze · 6h ago
tldr: lasers (angry light)
londons_explore · 1h ago
How do you evacuate these fibers to any decent vacuum?
Sticking a vacuum pump on one end and waiting presumably won't work because gas will take a really really long time to diffuse along a multi kilometer long micrometer wide tube...
sunrunner · 8h ago
Not a comment on the article, but the linked URL makes me vaguely uncomfortable.
crunchbang-excl · 8h ago
That fullwidth question mark really makes the URL stand out, not in a good way.
formerly_proven · 7h ago
Slightly too clever CMS. Like Dolphin replacing slashes with the Unicode fraction slash.
escape_goat · 7h ago
I think that it was good that it stood out to be honest.
epx · 9h ago
Curious about how difficult would be to splice it.
yea hand splicing in the field is already super rare today. I imagine this cannot be hand spliced at all.
0_____0 · 8h ago
I've personally spliced about a dozen optical fibers and I don't even work in telecom :)
Not exactly by hand though - all the prep is done by hand but the actual alignment and fusion steps were automated by the fusion splicer machine (about the size of a small toolbox)
burnte · 8h ago
Considering the number of fiber splice trucks rolling around I think your supposition is incorrect. Fiber splicing happens thousands of times every day. Fibers break and get cut all the time. Tt's not common in data centers, but once you leave those walls fiber splicing happens everywhere every day.
giuliomagnifico · 9h ago
Good point. I have no idea, but probably the tools will need an upgrade!
But a quick search proved my knowledge was not up to date - here is the paper linked from the Laser Focus World blurb someone linked above. Looks like HCFs have achieved loss parity with traditional single-mode fused silica fibers, at least in the lab. Pretty amazing and cool if you ask me!
https://eprints.soton.ac.uk/470034/1/OFC2022_PD_Jasion_submi...
From a high level, the preforms are a lot more complicated, and I imagine the draw process might be more unforgiving (in terms of size fluctuations of the cross-section), but I don't see anything that is going to be prohibitive or that will make the fiber itself 10x more expensive in the long run. Most of the cost of an undersea cable isn't in the silica anyway...
Does this mean that such fibers can be used with high-power lasers, like those used in tools and weapons?
Unfortunately we dont seems to be anywhere close to it.
[1] https://www.laserfocusworld.com/fiber-optics/article/1417001...
[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16194973
* How do you splice without crushing the core?
* How do you terminate/splice and maintain vacuum?
* How do you terminate at all
Sticking a vacuum pump on one end and waiting presumably won't work because gas will take a really really long time to diffuse along a multi kilometer long micrometer wide tube...
Suggests it can be to some extent.
Not exactly by hand though - all the prep is done by hand but the actual alignment and fusion steps were automated by the fusion splicer machine (about the size of a small toolbox)