As others have pointed out, this is primarily due to the American Civil War when the Medal of Honors was given out much more freely than today.
Here's the breakdown on more recent conflicts:
WWII, 625 total recipients, 13 Irish, 2.1%.
In the Korean War, there were 152 Medal of Honors, 3 given to Irish, or 1.9%.
In the Vietnam War, there were 271 Medal of Honors, 13 given to Irish, or 4.8%.
There were 36 Medal of Honor medals given out in the wars in Iraq and Afganistan. Of these, 3 are marked as Irish on that page, or 10.7%.
CodingJeebus · 2h ago
Historically, the infantry ranks in the US military tend to come from the working class, not the wealthy. If MOH recipients disproportionately come more from forward deployed troops than the officer commissioned class, it makes sense that there’s a larger contingent of recipients who are immigrants or come from immigrant families.
throwaway1004 · 37m ago
Apologies for repeating myself but this directly addresses a question I posed in a sub-comment: of the total population, at the time, what proportion were considered working class?
The reason being, class distinction would only count if non-working classes were very statistically significant. Having never examined this before, I'm having a hard time getting solid information, and it appears superfically that the class distinctions of today may not quite apply.
I'm operating under the hypothesis that the vast majority of the population would have been considered "working class", probably with a variety of sub-strata within (think hobo who occassionaly works vs. prosperous sustenance farm who's a pillar of the community).
Was there an excess of places in officer school for middle class+, or did they have to compete for their place? If they couldn't break in, was it socially acceptable to choose not to fight with the troops?
rileymat2 · 2h ago
Even if it is not disproportionate in the recipients, the numbers will still skew because they are not equal sized populations.
potato3732842 · 1h ago
They gave the MoH out like candy in the 1860s during which time units were sourced from a common location. That inject a A LOT of noise into the statistics.
antonymoose · 1h ago
Unfortunately I do not have the source to back it up, but I recall a Jocko or Jocko-adjacent podcast discussing changes in medals of valor at or just after WWII, shifting away from “charged a machine gun” acts of valor to “saved his team’s life” style events, not just for the MOH but for all prestigious medals.
xorbax · 1h ago
Is that noise or data?
pw6hv · 53m ago
Noise, if it does not support the claim. Signal otherwise.
The book Born Fighting by Jim Webb explains the historical and cultural background of the Scotch Irish including how they value bravery and have been ready to fight for their freedom and beliefs.
jt2190 · 1h ago
> I remember meeting a WWII veteran of the Big Red One [U.S. First Infantry Division] who served in North Africa, Sicily, Normandy, all the way through Germany and into Czechoslovakia – over three years of almost continuous combat and came out of the war with three ribbons on his chest to show for it – and he never did get the actual medals at all.
Here's the breakdown on more recent conflicts:
WWII, 625 total recipients, 13 Irish, 2.1%.
In the Korean War, there were 152 Medal of Honors, 3 given to Irish, or 1.9%.
In the Vietnam War, there were 271 Medal of Honors, 13 given to Irish, or 4.8%.
There were 36 Medal of Honor medals given out in the wars in Iraq and Afganistan. Of these, 3 are marked as Irish on that page, or 10.7%.
The reason being, class distinction would only count if non-working classes were very statistically significant. Having never examined this before, I'm having a hard time getting solid information, and it appears superfically that the class distinctions of today may not quite apply.
I'm operating under the hypothesis that the vast majority of the population would have been considered "working class", probably with a variety of sub-strata within (think hobo who occassionaly works vs. prosperous sustenance farm who's a pillar of the community).
Was there an excess of places in officer school for middle class+, or did they have to compete for their place? If they couldn't break in, was it socially acceptable to choose not to fight with the troops?
https://www.army.mil/article/283793/key_military_unit_the_44...
Topic: “Too Many Medals?” U.S. Militaria Forum. https://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/233...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Irish_inventions...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_laws_(Ireland)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Cromwell
A Presidential Medal of Freedom has value as scrap metal.
I wouldn’t have know this fact if not for this article.