GPT-5 is better as a conversational thinking partner than GPT-4o. It's answers are more concise, focused and informative. The conversation flows. GPT-5 feels more mature than GPT-4o with less juvenile "glazing."
I can't speak to other uses such as coding, but as a sounding board GPT-5 is better than GPT-4o, which was already pretty good. GPT-5's personality has definitely shifted to a more professional tone which I like.
I do understand why people are missing the more synchophant persoanlity of GPT-4o, but I'm not one of them.
saulpw · 40m ago
That sounds 10% better, not 10x better. That's close enough to 'peaked'.
labrador · 22m ago
Agreed. Sam Altman definitely over-hyped GPT-5. It's not so much more capable that it deserves a major version number bump.
3836293648 · 19m ago
Surely a major version bump says more about the internals than the capabilities
labrador · 12m ago
I see your point from a software engineering perspective but unfortuately that's not how the public sees it. The common perception is that we are making leaps towards AGI. I never thought AGI was close so I'm not disappointed, but a lot of people seem to be. On the other hand, I've seen comments like "I guess my fears of a destructive super-intelligence were over-blown."
kjkjadksj · 19m ago
People seem to make this exact comment on here at every gpt release. I wonder what gpt we ought to actually be on? 1.4.6?
labrador · 1m ago
In retrospect I would have named it as follows:
GPT-4 -> GPT-4 Home
GPT-5 -> GPT-4 Enterprise
Because my impression after using GPT-5 that it is designed to satisfy the needs of Microsoft mainly. Microsoft has no interest in making AI therapists or AI companions, probably because of the legal liability. Also, that's outside their core business.
gooodvibes · 19m ago
Not having the choice to use the old models is a horrible user experience. Taking 4o away so soon was a crime.
I don’t feel like I got anything new, I feel like something got taken away.
darepublic · 42m ago
They took away o3 on plus for this :(
binarymax · 1h ago
My primary use case for LLMs are running jobs at scale over an API, and not chat. Yes it's very slow, and it is annoying. Getting a response from GPT-5-mini for <Classify these 50 tokens as true or false> takes 5 seconds, compared to GPT-4o which takes about a second.
jscheel · 23m ago
Doing quite a bit of that as well, but I’ve held off moving anything to gpt-5 yet. Guessing it’s a capacity issue right now.
mikert89 · 1h ago
Have you used the Pro version? Its incredible
iwontberude · 1h ago
This is intended to be a discussion thread speculating about why ChatGPT 5 is so slow and why it seems to be no better than previous versions.
I can't speak to other uses such as coding, but as a sounding board GPT-5 is better than GPT-4o, which was already pretty good. GPT-5's personality has definitely shifted to a more professional tone which I like.
I do understand why people are missing the more synchophant persoanlity of GPT-4o, but I'm not one of them.
GPT-4 -> GPT-4 Home
GPT-5 -> GPT-4 Enterprise
Because my impression after using GPT-5 that it is designed to satisfy the needs of Microsoft mainly. Microsoft has no interest in making AI therapists or AI companions, probably because of the legal liability. Also, that's outside their core business.
I don’t feel like I got anything new, I feel like something got taken away.