I applaud the Dutch for standing up for human decency.
Thiez · 2h ago
About time the Netherlands do something. They are Israels biggest European trade partner and could probably have used sanctions to force Israel to halt its genocide at any point. But the Netherlands do not have a great track record making the moral choice when there is money to be made, especially when it involves colonialism and the subjugation and genocide of indigenous people.
rizpanjwani · 2h ago
Read some history. It’s like saying the First Nation are committing genocide against the indigenous white people of North America.
isr · 52m ago
One (minor) positive now is that I don't feel the need to point out the 101 reasons why what you posted is an absolute lie.
99% of the planet has already learned enough of the truth (historical & current) to recognise your lie, as a lie.
rizpanjwani · 43m ago
Effective propaganda by 25% of the planet’s population can’t change reality.
isr · 32m ago
Umm, seriously? Is that it? There's nothing even vaguely plausible in your sentence. Is that all that the "hasbara" playbook has left?
I think at this stage an LLM might do a better hasbara job than humanoids...
rizpanjwani · 29m ago
You haven’t disputed any of my points. Just ad hominem attacks
yousaidthat111 · 34m ago
Jeez, why stop at 101? You really meant to say 111 and counting, right?
space_fountain · 1h ago
The issue is it’s more like if Americans in mass moved back to Ireland and started genociding the native Irish. Plenty of the Arab population of the region also trace their ancestors back to the biblical period and even if it wasn’t true history in a region doesn’t prevent you from committing atrocities
rizpanjwani · 1h ago
Yet another historical revisionism. Turkey took in a million Syrian refugees but nobody questioned them. Jews in Israel taking in Jewish refugees is not allowed…
As for atrocities… who aims for maximum civilian casualties vs who aims to minimize them? Who has 20+ countries yet not a single Jew vs who has 2 million Muslims with equal rights?
space_fountain · 29m ago
I don't know if it's productive to talk on here, but I'm not the person you seem to think I am. I think Israel has a right to defend itself and I think it has a right to take in refuges if it wants to, but it doesn't have anything to do with your claim that Jewish israelis have some sort of claim to the land owing to ancestral history that isn't shared by the people they literally pushed out. You can read this wiki article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Palestinians), but my read is that the jews and palestinians both descended from a similar group of people. Palestinians are mostly just historic jews that converted
There are things that have moved me to be more sympathetic to the Palestinian cause over the past few years and I think if you haven't listened to Ezra Klein talk about this you should. I think he holds the right balance of pointing out the horror of what Israel has done while holding the context of the horrors Palestine seems intent on doing if given power
rizpanjwani · 21m ago
Agree with you on the first point except the conversion was not voluntary if you know Islam’s history in the region. Not only did it wipe out religions but also language and culture. Why can’t Israel have one tiny country for itself in the fraction of the region where the Jewish people have existed for 4000+ years? That’s what this whole thing is about. It’s religious warfare against the Jews disguised as fight for national independence or whatever they want to call it.
buyucu · 1h ago
Israel was formed by invading Palestine and killing the locals. Israel is modern day Hernan Cortes.
rizpanjwani · 41m ago
OK then why does Israel have 2 million Arab Muslims?
Palestine was the name of the entire region, not a country. It comprised of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, etc. You want to dismantle Israel? Then let’s dismantle all these other states that were formed at the same time from the ruins of the Ottoman Empire.
buyucu · 32m ago
Ask them how they are treated. Israel treats them in a horrible way. If fascists like ben gvir have their way, then they will lose what little rights they have.
Israel murders as many Palestinians as it can get away with.
rizpanjwani · 28m ago
Yeah Israel must be really bad at it then given that the Arab population in that region and inside Israel has gone up 10 fold in last 70 years.
StopDisinfo910 · 1h ago
You do realise that when people settled somewhere has actually nothing to do with the act of committing a genocide. Genocide is characterised by the intention to destroy a national group. It doesn’t matter if one group thinks that’s justified.
“We were here before and they are corrupting our land” is pretty much as common as it goes when it comes to reasons brandished to try to justify a genocide. The Nazi would be proud.
Anyway, given this first disgusting comment and your second post actively misrepresenting how Jewish people are treated in Arab countries and what’s currently happening in Gaza, I have little doubt that I’m talking with the void.
rizpanjwani · 31m ago
What did I say was disgusting? What Jewish people in Arab countries. They have all been ethnically cleansed.
dttze · 1h ago
So you support the mass murder of whites by indigenous peoples? Hell yeah brotha, land back.
Ireland will not participate in Eurovision if Israel takes part
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45210867
99% of the planet has already learned enough of the truth (historical & current) to recognise your lie, as a lie.
I think at this stage an LLM might do a better hasbara job than humanoids...
As for atrocities… who aims for maximum civilian casualties vs who aims to minimize them? Who has 20+ countries yet not a single Jew vs who has 2 million Muslims with equal rights?
There are things that have moved me to be more sympathetic to the Palestinian cause over the past few years and I think if you haven't listened to Ezra Klein talk about this you should. I think he holds the right balance of pointing out the horror of what Israel has done while holding the context of the horrors Palestine seems intent on doing if given power
Palestine was the name of the entire region, not a country. It comprised of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, etc. You want to dismantle Israel? Then let’s dismantle all these other states that were formed at the same time from the ruins of the Ottoman Empire.
Israel murders as many Palestinians as it can get away with.
“We were here before and they are corrupting our land” is pretty much as common as it goes when it comes to reasons brandished to try to justify a genocide. The Nazi would be proud.
Anyway, given this first disgusting comment and your second post actively misrepresenting how Jewish people are treated in Arab countries and what’s currently happening in Gaza, I have little doubt that I’m talking with the void.