A great mystery is how Tesla is avoiding culpability and liability for gross lying and mortal harms caused by the product, and instead being rewarded with fantastic amounts of money!
Personal computer appliance users truly blame themselves for the failures of the devices, no matter the degree of wreckage and injury caused by bad design, while cheering the men (unbearable a*holes) who foist malfunctional and dangerous tech upon them.
The captains of this industry are notorious for refusing to take responsibility for their mistakes and actively planning to deploy tech they themselves claim is hazardous, while being continually cheered by investors hungry to make a killing.
Tesla is a case study for the world about the hazards of California Ideology libertarianism and the precedence of greed over personal responsibility and justice.
Since Ronald Reagan, personal responsibility has never been a libertarian (Republican) trait. It's always "Oops I did it again!" and "I forgot!"
No surprise the "trolley problem" is the signature thought experiment for the industry as its technocrats constantly hunt for ways to escape responsibility and seek unearned profits.
With the woeful performance of Musk's cars and robots, DOGE fiasco, Federal schedule drug habit, goonerism, and inability to maintain personal relationships, Musk's plans for a mars adventure are psychotic.
But what fun to watch!
dragonwriter · 2h ago
> A great mystery is how Tesla is avoiding culpability and liability
The civil justice system is slow (and COVID made the whole justice system even slower for quite a while), but aside from that, maybe they're not? A quarter billion dollar verdict for a 2019 crash was recently returned against them.
Yep, it's quite incredible that they released this faked video, quite a lot of people died in various accidents involving Autopilot / FSD where they clearly felt for the marketing, then Tesla guy who made it admitted it was faked and even crashed at some point while filming, and now instead of being in jail, he is ... the head of Tesla Autopilot program.
jojobas · 2h ago
1) Nikola didn't kill anyone
2) Tesla's fraud eclipses Nikola's few billion amateur hour.
mgh2 · 2h ago
To be fair, it was “staged”, not completely fake; but yes, the false advertising killed many
calmbonsai · 2h ago
Don't get me wrong, I love Tesla design. I just never understood why anyone would deliberately inject additional possible critical safety faults into their driving experience.
I was glad when they started charging for it, 'cuz it just meant fewer dangerous Teslas on the road.
I have no doubt we'll get to full autopilot...eventually, and we've "gotten there" already with adaptive cruise control, BUT in the interim, if you can't pay full attention while driving you shouldn't be driving.
typewithrhythm · 1h ago
There is this big hump of safety, where adding assist features causes (some portion of) average drivers to become inattentive, and decreases overall safety.
Things start to improve again once the features get even more capable.
IMO Tesla fsd is well past the hump compared to most current cars with acc+lateral.
senordevnyc · 1h ago
We have gotten there. Waymo does hundreds of thousands of paid rides in US cities every week, with no one in the drivers seat, and an essentially flawless accident record. The future is here, we just need to roll it out to everyone.
RajT88 · 51m ago
Cannot wait until it comes outside of metros. My wife and I would love a self-driving carriage every now and again to and from our fav bar a mile down the road.
fragmede · 1h ago
Should, sure, but people are gonna people, and I'd rather this not-so-hypothetical driver be using the latest FSD rather then not paying attention and hoping Autopilot is up to the task.
notjoemama · 1h ago
I liked this YouTube comment: "Never before have I seen a CEO get away with straight up lying to investors so often." So...like, you're kinda young then, right? Basically you're unaware of private equity, the 2008 housing crisis and occupy Wall Street. I agree what he's doing is wrong, really wrong. I'm just sick of the obvious partisan schadenfreude hyperbole. Was an article about Chorus on hacker news? I'll search, maybe I missed it by one day. Such is social media.
Clearly the "Union" isnt playing into the "Hate Elon" campaign.
BurningFrog · 1h ago
Here is what I didn't like about this video:
- The scary effect music shows it's intended as a hit piece.
- The constant intermixing of Autopilot and Full Self Driving, two very different things.
- Implying that driving just based on visual input is unsafe, when that is how all humans drive.
Of course, that the video is an unserious hit piece doesn't mean these Tesla features are safe. But I need something more serious to be convinced.
opello · 55m ago
> Implying that driving just based on visual input is unsafe, when that is how all humans drive.
Except that's not at all how humans drive. Sure, there's visual input, but human vision is largely based on expectations. You see what you expect and ignore a lot of things. The predictive engine of the brain does a lot more than evaluate the present environment. This is both good and bad insofar as safety is concerned.
BurningFrog · 1m ago
Of course Teslas also have software interpreting the video streams and maintaining a model of the surroundings at all times.
Not really clear what the argument is meant to be here...
Veserv · 30m ago
> Implying that driving just based on visual input is unsafe, when that is how all humans drive.
Implying that driving just based on single-eye 20/120 vision [1] is safe, when that is in fact illegal.
I am not convinced that a camera fixed in place is equivalent to eyeballs with 6 degrees of freedom. That freedom significantly boosts the available parallax for depth and distance perception something fixed in place cameras lack.
woodrowbarlow · 57m ago
nor that current algorithms come close to matching our biological ability to infer 3-dimensional information from the sensor data
OsrsNeedsf2P · 1h ago
I was waiting for the video to share data on the safety of Tesla self driving versus human drivers, but... No. I guess those numbers wouldn't have supported the argument.
FireBeyond · 56m ago
Oh, you mean the data (that Tesla chooses to release, anyway) that compares the subsets of driving on only the roads where FSD is available, active, and has not or did not turn itself off because of weather, road, traffic or any other conditions" versus "all drivers, all vehicles, all roads, all weather, all traffic, all conditions?
Or the accident stats that don't count an accident any collision without airbag deployment, regardless of injuries?
Personal computer appliance users truly blame themselves for the failures of the devices, no matter the degree of wreckage and injury caused by bad design, while cheering the men (unbearable a*holes) who foist malfunctional and dangerous tech upon them.
The captains of this industry are notorious for refusing to take responsibility for their mistakes and actively planning to deploy tech they themselves claim is hazardous, while being continually cheered by investors hungry to make a killing.
Tesla is a case study for the world about the hazards of California Ideology libertarianism and the precedence of greed over personal responsibility and justice.
Since Ronald Reagan, personal responsibility has never been a libertarian (Republican) trait. It's always "Oops I did it again!" and "I forgot!"
No surprise the "trolley problem" is the signature thought experiment for the industry as its technocrats constantly hunt for ways to escape responsibility and seek unearned profits.
With the woeful performance of Musk's cars and robots, DOGE fiasco, Federal schedule drug habit, goonerism, and inability to maintain personal relationships, Musk's plans for a mars adventure are psychotic.
But what fun to watch!
The civil justice system is slow (and COVID made the whole justice system even slower for quite a while), but aside from that, maybe they're not? A quarter billion dollar verdict for a 2019 crash was recently returned against them.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/tesla-rejected-60-m...
2) Tesla's fraud eclipses Nikola's few billion amateur hour.
I was glad when they started charging for it, 'cuz it just meant fewer dangerous Teslas on the road.
I have no doubt we'll get to full autopilot...eventually, and we've "gotten there" already with adaptive cruise control, BUT in the interim, if you can't pay full attention while driving you shouldn't be driving.
Things start to improve again once the features get even more capable.
IMO Tesla fsd is well past the hump compared to most current cars with acc+lateral.
- The scary effect music shows it's intended as a hit piece.
- The constant intermixing of Autopilot and Full Self Driving, two very different things.
- Implying that driving just based on visual input is unsafe, when that is how all humans drive.
Of course, that the video is an unserious hit piece doesn't mean these Tesla features are safe. But I need something more serious to be convinced.
Except that's not at all how humans drive. Sure, there's visual input, but human vision is largely based on expectations. You see what you expect and ignore a lot of things. The predictive engine of the brain does a lot more than evaluate the present environment. This is both good and bad insofar as safety is concerned.
Not really clear what the argument is meant to be here...
Implying that driving just based on single-eye 20/120 vision [1] is safe, when that is in fact illegal.
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=Veserv&next=44228653
Pretty wild to see several comments condemning their imaginary single camera system. Where do these lies come from?
Here is a diagram: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Locations-of-cameras-on-...
Or the accident stats that don't count an accident any collision without airbag deployment, regardless of injuries?