Will Smith's concert crowds are real, but AI is blurring the lines

149 jay_kyburz 55 8/26/2025, 4:11:10 AM waxy.org ↗

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ulrikrasmussen · 2h ago
I think AI-"upscaled" videos are as jarring to look at as a newly bought TV before frame smoothing has been disabled. Who seriously thinks this looks better, even if the original is a slightly grainy recording from the 90's?

I was recently sent a link to this recording of a David Bowie & Nine Inch Nails concert, and I got a serious uneasy feeling as if I was on a psychedelic and couldn't quite trust my perception, especially at the 2:00 mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Yyx31HPgfs&list=RD7Yyx31HPg...

It turned out that the video was "AI-upscaled" from an original which is really blurry and sometimes has a low frame rate. These are artistic choices, and I think the original, despite being low resolution, captures the intended atmosphere much better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X6KF1IkkIc&list=RD1X6KF1Ikk...

We have pretty good cameras and lenses now. We don't need AI to "improve" the quality.

prmoustache · 31m ago
The weird thing is that people are seemingly enjoying this.

Yesterday we went to a store to have a look at a few smartphone for my partner. She primarily wants a good camera above any other parameter. I was seeing her preferring those that were counterfeiting the reality the most: she was like, "look I can zoom and it is still sharp" while obviously there was a delay between zooming and the end result which was a reconstructed, liquid like distorded version similar to the upscaling filters people are using on 8/16bit game console emulators. I was cringing at seeing the person I love the most preferring looking at selfies of picture of us with smoothed faces and a terrible fake bokeh in the background instead of something closer to the reality.

omnimus · 7m ago
What makes it uneasy is not only upscaling but they are generating new frames to make it 60fps. 60fps by itself feels fake (check some footage of The Hobbit that tried 48fps). It feels like video games.

It's kinda funny to aim for 60fps because modern video productions will often have 60fps footage that's too sharp and clean. So they heavily post process the videos. You add the film grain and lower the fps to 30 or even 24 (cinema) so it looks much more natural.

The question is if this is just habitual / taste thing. We most likely wouldn't prefer 24fps if the movie industry started with 50fps.

internet_points · 3m ago
Wow, that is horrible! The 2:07 mark where AI put in some generic Rick Astley-alike for Bowie, just made me feel sick
brap · 1h ago
I remember watching an episode of one of my favorite shows on my parents’ brand new TV, and thought to myself something about this episode is off, like the production is cheap, the acting feels worse, even the dialog is bad.

Over time I noticed everything looks cheaper on their TV.

It was the auto-smoothing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soap_opera_effect

ulrikrasmussen · 27m ago
It is especially bad for animated shows that have made an explicit artistic choice to let (parts of) the animation progress at a lower frame rate. My kids watched "spider-man: across the spider-verse" at a friends place where smoothing was not turned off, and it completely ruined the artistic feel and made the movie feel like a stuttering video game.
jay_kyburz · 11m ago
I found those spiderverse movies really hard to watch because of the low frame rate. I don't think it was artistic, it was cheap.
chneu · 46m ago
It also has to do with how basically everything is filmed for Netflix/streaming nowadays.
conradfr · 1h ago
moefh · 58m ago
That's insane. Here's the same-ish frame from the original: https://imgur.com/a/dWS20oP

The extreme blur here was obviously a creative choice by the director/editor, the rest of the video has lower resolution but it's not nearly that bad (which is why Bowie still looks like himself in other parts of the upscaled video).

The process used to upscale the video has no subtlety, it's just "make everything look crisp, even if you have to create entirely made-up faces".

ygra · 25m ago
Seems like they ignored the non-square pixel aspect ratio as well for the upscaling, which may have changed face shapes as well.
hliyan · 1h ago
This phenomenon of pushing technology that end consumers don't want, seem to be driven by a simple sequence of incentives: pressure from shareholders to maintain/increase stock price -> pressure on business to increase market share, raise prices, or at least showcase promising future tech -> pressure on PMs to build new features -> combined with developers' desire to try out new technologies -> result: AI chatbots/summaries on things we didn't ask for, touchscreens on car dashboards, AI upscaling etc.
hdgvhicv · 36m ago
When stock price has to grow 8% more than gdp this is inevitable.
ageitgey · 1h ago
The AI upscaling makes it look like NIN are playing with late-1980s era Rick Astley. Hilarious.
bryanrasmussen · 34m ago
Rick Astley is so ubiquitous now, thanks to Memes, the AI is never gonna give him up.
justinator · 1h ago
That is terrible.

I see this upscaling a lot in Youtube videos about WWII that use very grainy B+W film sources (which themselves aren't using the best sources of) and it just turns the footage into some weird flat paneled cartoonish mess. It's not video anymore, it's an animated approximation.

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rightbyte · 2h ago
The closeups of the bass player are like 6 slowmotion frames in the original and look like an interpolated mess with unhuman body joints upscaled.
energy123 · 1h ago
The most upvoted comment is "Thank you so much for preserving this!!"
black_puppydog · 1h ago
Holy... wtf...

At 2:04 the original deliberately has everyone on stage way out of focus, and the AI upscaler (or the person operating it) decided to just replace it with an in-focus version sporting what looks like late 90s video game characters. That is terrible.

MrGilbert · 1h ago
Also, David Bowie looks like a 20-something-year old man in this shot.
SanjayMehta · 1h ago
The first video induced actual physical nausea.

I had to stop playback or I’m sure I would have thrown up. And I don’t suffer from motion sickness etc.

There’s definitely something “uncanny valley” about it.

kg · 2h ago
Wow, you're not kidding. In some shots David Bowie barely looks like David Bowie because the algorithm's taken such liberties with the original image to try and make it look sharp.
jader201 · 2h ago
Two root comments (so far) are focusing on YouTube, but the article claims most of the AI was done by Will’s team, using AI to convert stills to video:

> The video features real performances and real audiences, but I believe they were manipulated on two levels:

1. Will Smith’s team generated several short AI image-to-video clips from professionally-shot audience photos

2. YouTube post-processed the resulting Shorts montage, making everything look so much worse

You can see the side-by-side [1] of the YouTube post-processing, and, while definitely altering the original, isn’t what’s causing most of the really bad AI artifacts.

Most of what YouTube appears to be doing is making it less blurry, sometimes successfully, and sometimes not. And, even with that, it is only done on Shorts.

[1] https://youtu.be/Bx5GzIsmEBI

petargyurov · 12m ago
On this episode of "Trying to make AI useful"...

Seriously, who's idea was this? It can't be a money saving feature; surely it costs more to upscale all these videos than to just host the HD version.

And even if you argue it can be used only on low res videos to provide a "better experience", the resulting distortion of reality should be very concerning.

ares623 · 2h ago
Some PM in Youtube: “ yes let’s make it harder to tell real videos from AI to make people who don’t know better more susceptible and accepting of it”
aleph_minus_one · 28m ago
> Some PM in Youtube: “ yes let’s make it harder to tell real videos from AI to make people who don’t know better more susceptible and accepting of it”

This can backfire, perhaps making people believe that real, important news is in reality AI-generated to brainwash them, thus making people less susceptible, and more disbelieving.

cyanydeez · 1h ago
Thats the future. Kids arnt going to have the same mental history as older generayions.
nicgrev103 · 50m ago
If I were a marketing person I would also make genuine images look AI generated for the free publicity. Nothing gets attention like mistakes or fakes. The fact that they aren't actually fake means there is no downside for WS and team. I once spoke to a social media manager for a large brand and he said they intentionally put typos in posts on a semi regular basis and it always results in more post engagement (people correcting the typo).
chneu · 45m ago
It's called ragebait and it's pretty common in marketing already.
gherkinnn · 1h ago
https://www.theverge.com/youtube/765485/is-youtubes-shorts-e...

Today on The Verge, GenAI upscaling in YT shorts. Yes, AI is here to stay, but I do hope the icky parts go away soon.

recursive · 27m ago
I fear the icky parts might be the only ones staying.

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merelysounds · 58m ago
> GenAI upscaling in YT shorts

I cannot watch the linked video, but its description quotes “not generative AI”; is The Verge or someone else showing something different?

ojagodzinski · 1h ago
Open an company that sells t-shirts with "AI glitched" text on it so people can make every foto of this kind illegitimate.
aitchnyu · 1h ago
In a couple of years, they can go into same junk drawer of sixth finger prosthetics (generative AI problem) and 5-eyes masks (face recognition problem).
foota · 1h ago
I wonder if the fact that the original video was AI generated made the upscaling look worse than it would on a real video? Not that it can certainly be detected, but an actual video is likely different from an AI generated in ways that it seems like could lead astray their "computational photography" processing.
busyant · 19m ago
Everthing is a copy of a copy of a copy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAQ3JuXkDkU

black_puppydog · 2h ago
So... the videos showing the difference between the AI-tainted youtube version and the supposedly untainted instagram version are hosted on... youtube?
ch_sm · 2h ago
apparently the sharpening algorithm is only applied on youtube shorts, not on regular youtube videos.
superchink · 2h ago
the experimental post processing was only applied to shorts, according to the post.
cobertos · 2h ago
What's the point of using videos like this if it's a risk to reputation just to use them?
hamdingers · 1h ago
The people with whom this is a reputational risk were not going to buy Will Smith concert tickets anyway.
jacquesm · 2h ago
The same reason you don't feed prime vegetables and fruits to pigs.
jonplackett · 2h ago
Saving money of course! That’s the sad truth
hanspeter · 2h ago
What's the point of saving money if it's a risk to reputation?
cyanydeez · 1h ago
Will smith punched a dude on stage, a comedian. I think you are putting a lot on a cage concept with a scatter plot of outliers.

You actually need a reputation of merit for there to be risk. Hes a rapper, not a saint or Ethicist.

14213112 · 2h ago
there are no risk of reputation until you use it. further more, even within creative professions, using Gen AI is already acceptable to some degree.
wordofx · 1h ago
I’m wondering at what point the minority are going to finally accept ai is here to stay.
hettygreen · 2h ago
What happens when AI gets trained on AI slop?

If there's code to stop AI from being trained on AI, I would like to have it from stopping me from seeing it.

energy123 · 38m ago
Google have the untainted video, so it's a competitive advantage
cyanydeez · 1h ago
Better question is what happens when a generation knows nothing but slop
booleandilemma · 1h ago
I hate how everyone thinks we have to use AI now. I wish this trend would end already.
ttflee · 1h ago
TLDR: The video got VAEed, and we are the discriminators being fooled.
bananapub · 1h ago
doesn't seem very blurry - don't generate video of a crowd? seems like an easy rule?
Mistletoe · 1h ago
Who the hell are going to Will Smith concerts in Europe? He’s been dead to me since the slap, I cannot imagine going to a concert of his with a clean conscience.
wordofx · 1h ago
I thought Willy had disappeared into the shadows after his wife embarrassed him to the point he prob won’t step foot in public again…