I do wonder how this plays out over time. As people go to AI to ask questions, instead of places like Reddit, where will AI get new or more current information?
I also question if we even want to lean on sites like Reddit so hard. It turns AI into a way to effectively ask random people on the street, rather than good factual information from reliable sources.
codingdave · 20h ago
I share those concerns. Reddit is already 90% crap, with 10% decent info. People who rave about reddit focus on that 10%, and ignore the 90%. But how is AI going to properly filter that?
I also worry about the echo chamber effect. If people learn from AI, and AI is updated based on reddit... which is full of people talking about what they learned from AI.... you can see the echo chamber being built before our eyes.
mathiaspoint · 17h ago
The voting cybernetics on Reddit already made it a bad AI. Subreddits would just decide certain memes were real. I remember one technical subreddit for a project I was involved in that decided things worked a certain way. I would show up to correct people and get downvoted while people posting popular myths would have their posts at the top of the threads for everyone to read.
It really killed the site for me. I think going there will often mean you understand less, not more.
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alganet · 19h ago
Why am I on the side that thinks Reddit has become a mess?
Gamification strategies, like medals and paid goodies, polluted its points system.
That whole fiasco trying to come up with NFT avatar pictures, it was an especulation shot in the dark about uniqueness identification that went nowhere.
To me, it looks like a dead platform floating in the water. When it moves, it's because the ocean moves, not because it's alive.
Instead of focusing on what its perceived advantage is (humans talking and a supposedly good karma system), it keeps going for these cheap shots.
JohnFen · 19h ago
This is pretty much my opinion of Reddit. I stopped using it a few years back because of it.
alganet · 17h ago
Don't make it personal. It's not.
JohnFen · 17h ago
I'm not sure what you mean by this. I don't think it's personally aimed at me. But it does make Reddit unpleasant and less than useful, so I stopped using it. That's a personal decision for sure, same as every decision about what I'm willing to tolerate is personal.
alganet · 16h ago
You made it personal: you left it because you don't like it anymore. I am not talking about that kind of thinking.
I totally understand why you would be encouraged to think that everyone that does it would do it for the same reasons as you. However, I'm offering an explanation that roots the critique in a more reasonable ground.
To me, HN displays the same level of degradation of discourse. If you think the way I think you think, the decision to stay here and leave reddit would seem impossible to understand. Instead of encouraging to see it as a personal choice, I encourage you to try to understand why someone would do that.
JohnFen · 14h ago
> You made it personal: you left it because you don't like it anymore.
So wait, you're taking exception to someone on the internet expressing a personal opinion?
> I totally understand why you would be encouraged to think that everyone that does it would do it for the same reasons as you.
I don't think that at all. I'm very confused by your comments. I don't know what you're getting at here or why you seem to be offended.
alganet · 14h ago
Don't take it personally.
al_borland · 18h ago
Once they decided to go public the enshittificafion intensified as the users took a backseat to the company’s efforts to monetize those users.
alganet · 17h ago
Are you trying to drag this into a "capitalism bad" narrative?
If I were to conform to your suggestion, I could be easily mistaken by some person who was convinced by popular rethorics.
I don't need to say this more than once.
al_borland · 10h ago
I'm not anti-capitalism. I'm against sacrificing the long-term health of a service by trying to pump it for cash in the short-term. I like slower sustainable growth that stays true to the core service, rather than business models that are at odds with the core service being provided. It's this incongruity which puts companies at odds with its users and often leads to their demise... which isn't good from a capitalism point of view. Digg 4 did that, which led to the rise of Reddit in the first place. Now Reddit is making the same mistakes. Everyone is in such a hurry to be a unicorn that no one seems to run a boring sustainable business anymore. We need more boring businesses. It provides the stability this industry often lacks.
I also question if we even want to lean on sites like Reddit so hard. It turns AI into a way to effectively ask random people on the street, rather than good factual information from reliable sources.
I also worry about the echo chamber effect. If people learn from AI, and AI is updated based on reddit... which is full of people talking about what they learned from AI.... you can see the echo chamber being built before our eyes.
It really killed the site for me. I think going there will often mean you understand less, not more.
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Gamification strategies, like medals and paid goodies, polluted its points system.
That whole fiasco trying to come up with NFT avatar pictures, it was an especulation shot in the dark about uniqueness identification that went nowhere.
To me, it looks like a dead platform floating in the water. When it moves, it's because the ocean moves, not because it's alive.
Instead of focusing on what its perceived advantage is (humans talking and a supposedly good karma system), it keeps going for these cheap shots.
I totally understand why you would be encouraged to think that everyone that does it would do it for the same reasons as you. However, I'm offering an explanation that roots the critique in a more reasonable ground.
To me, HN displays the same level of degradation of discourse. If you think the way I think you think, the decision to stay here and leave reddit would seem impossible to understand. Instead of encouraging to see it as a personal choice, I encourage you to try to understand why someone would do that.
So wait, you're taking exception to someone on the internet expressing a personal opinion?
> I totally understand why you would be encouraged to think that everyone that does it would do it for the same reasons as you.
I don't think that at all. I'm very confused by your comments. I don't know what you're getting at here or why you seem to be offended.
If I were to conform to your suggestion, I could be easily mistaken by some person who was convinced by popular rethorics.
I don't need to say this more than once.