Interesting. It's just an agent loop with access to python exec and web search as standard, BUT with premade, curated, 150 tools like analyze_circular_dichroism_spectra, with very specific params that just execute a hardcoded python function. Also with easy to load databases that conform to the tools' standards.
The argument is that if you just ask claude code to do niche biomed tasks, it will not have the knowledge to do it like that by just searching pubmed and doing RAG on the fly, which is fair, given the current gen of LLM's. It's an interesting approach, they show some generalization on the paper(with well known tidy datasets), but real life data is messier, and the approach here(correct me if im wrong) is to identify the correct tool for a task, and then use the generic python exec tool to shape the data into the acceptable format if needed, try the tool and go again.
It would be useful to use the tools just as a guidance to inform a generic code agent imo, but executing the "verified" hardcoded tools narrows the error scope, as long as you can check your data is shaped correctly, the analysis will be correct. Not sure how much of an advantage this is in the long term for working with proprietary datasets, but it's an interesting direction
dbcooper · 7m ago
Anyone have a spare invite?
Edmond · 18h ago
This is nice, a lot of possibilities regarding AI use for scientific research.
There is also the possibility of building intelligent workspaces that could prove useful in aiding scientific research:
I'm sure they've thought of this but curious how it fared on evaluations for supporting biological threats, ie elevating threat actor capabilities with respect to making biological weapons.
I'm personally sceptical that LLMs can currently do this (and it's based on Claude that does test this) but still interesting to see.
greazy · 14h ago
Creating a biological weapon requires a whole bunch of unique and specialised skills, equipment, safety measures (so you don't infect/kill yourself/your people) and even multidisciplinary skill sets. Take for example the Kameido (Japan) incident by the Aum Shinrikyo cult/religious group [1]. Same group which committed the Sarin attack [2].
> The use of an attenuated B. anthracis strain, low spore concentrations, ineffective dispersal, a clogged spray device, and inactivation of the spores by sunlight are all likely contributing factors to the lack of human cases.
Now you may say, that's bacteria, what about viruses? A similar set of problems would arise, how do you successfully grow virus to high titers? Even vaccine companies struggle to do this with certain viruses. Then the issue of dispersal, infectivity and mortality arise (too quick, it kills the host without spreading and authorities will notice, too slow, same problem: authorities will notice). I haven't even mentioned biological engineering which requires years of technical knowledge and laboratory experience combined with a intimate knowledge of the organism you're working with.
What worries me the most is nature springing a new influenza subtype. Our farming practices, especially in developing countries, is bound to breed a new subtype. It happened in 2009 (H1N1pdm) and it is bound to happen again. We got lucky with H1N1pdm.
This is really cool, but I think the big question is whether it works and whether it's useful to a professional.
Is there anyone in the field who could comment on this?
monadoid · 6h ago
that's definitely a big question but I don't think it's the big question. this is 100% progress and it's standalone cool
freedomben · 18h ago
Awesome! This is the type of stuff I'm most excited about with AI - improvements to medical research and capabilities. AI can be awesome at identifying patterns in data that humans can't, and there has to be troves of data out there full of patterns that we aren't catching.
Of course there's also the possibility of engineering new drugs/treatments and things, which is also super exciting.
panabee · 13h ago
Agreed. There is deep potential for ML in healthcare. We need more contributors advancing research in this space. One opportunity as people look around: many priors merit reconsideration.
For instance, genomic data that may seem identical may not actually be identical. In classic biological representations (FASTA), canonical cytosine and methylated cytosine are both collapsed into the letter "C" even though differences may spur differential gene expression.
What's the optimal tokenization algorithm and architecture for genomic models? How about protein binding prediction? Unclear!
There are so many open questions in biomedical ML.
The openness-impact ratio is arguably as high in biomedicine as anywhere else: if you help answer some of these questions, you could save lives.
Hopefully, awesome frameworks like this lower barriers and attract more people.
teenvan_1995 · 15h ago
I wonder if giving 150+ tools is really a good idea considering context limitations. Need to check out if this works IRL.
Herring · 15h ago
There's an inner ToolRetriever which is a LLM call to select the most relevant tools/data/libraries.
epistasis · 16h ago
This is great, I've been on the waitlist for their website for a while and am now excited to be able to try it out!
dmezzetti · 15h ago
Very interesting work!
If biomedical research and paper analysis is of interest to you, I've been working on a set of open source projects that enable RAG over medical literature for a while.
very cool -passed on to my friend who is working a Crispr lab
SalmoShalazar · 18h ago
Not to take away from this or its usefulness (not my intent), but it is wild to me how many pieces of software of this type are being developed. We’re seeing endless waves of specialized wrappers around LLM API calls. There’s very little innovation happening beyond specializing around particular niches and invoking LLMs in slightly different ways with carefully directed context and prompts.
gronky_ · 17h ago
I see it a bit differently - LLMs are an incredible innovation but it’s hard to do anything useful with them without the right wrapper.
A good wrapper has deep domain knowledge baked into it, combined with automation and expert use of the LLM.
It maybe isn’t super innovative but it’s a bit of an art form and unlocks the utility of the underlying LLM
mrlongroots · 17h ago
Exactly.
To present a potential usecase: there's a ridiculous and massive backlog in the Indian judicial system. LLMs can be let loose on the entire workflow: triage cases (simple, complicated, intractable, grouped by legal principles or parties), pull up related caselaw, provide recommendations, throw more LLMs and more reasoning at unclear problems. Now you can't do this with just a desktop and chatgpt, you need a systemic pipeline of LLM-driven workflows, but doing that unlocks potentially billions of dollars of value that is otherwise elusive.
lawlessone · 17h ago
>pull up related caselaw
Or just make some up...
mrlongroots · 15h ago
At the token layer an LLM can make things up, but not as part of a structured pipeline that validates an invariant that all suggestions are valid entities in the database.
Can google search hallucinate webpages?
tedy1996 · 14h ago
How is something that cant admit it doesnt know, and hallucinates a good innovation?
knowaveragejoe · 12h ago
Modern LLMs frequently do state that they "don't know", for what it's worth. Like everything, it highly depends on the question.
epistasis · 16h ago
The application of a new technology to new fields always looks like this. SQL databases become widespread, there's a wave of specialized software development for business practices. The internet becomes widespread, and there's a wave of SaaS solving specialized use cases.
We are going to see the same for anything that Claude or similar can't handle out of the box.
goda90 · 15h ago
Think of it this way: before the internal combustion engine people used animal power, steam power, human power, wind power, etc to move cargo, passengers, and even specialized loads like water pumps for the fire brigade. Then with internal combustion they did those things faster and at greater scale. That wasn't innovating on the ICE itself, or solving new problems. But it was still useful. Of course they also eventually did innovate on the ICE, and they solved new problems with it(heavier than air flight, for example) but it took awhile.
ImaCake · 15h ago
I suspect it's jumping on the hype train. Especially since its from a big Uni. Funding in research is all about marketing and latching onto the right keywords (just like VC really) so the most successful researchers are those who can market themselves effectively. Whether this tool is actually any good is secondary to whether it achieves the real goal of getting future funding for it's author.
okdood64 · 17h ago
> We’re seeing endless waves of specialized wrappers around LLM API calls.
AFAIK, doing proper RAG is much, much more than this.
What's your technical background if you don't mind me asking?
SalmoShalazar · 17h ago
I’m a software engineer in the biotech space. I haven’t worked with RAG though, maybe I’m underestimating the complexity.
agpagpws · 17h ago
I work at a top three lab. RAG is just Mumbai magic. Throwaway. Hi dang.
jjtheblunt · 17h ago
What is a top three lab?
zachthewf · 16h ago
We know they don't work at OpenAI or Anthropic, but beyond that have no information
The argument is that if you just ask claude code to do niche biomed tasks, it will not have the knowledge to do it like that by just searching pubmed and doing RAG on the fly, which is fair, given the current gen of LLM's. It's an interesting approach, they show some generalization on the paper(with well known tidy datasets), but real life data is messier, and the approach here(correct me if im wrong) is to identify the correct tool for a task, and then use the generic python exec tool to shape the data into the acceptable format if needed, try the tool and go again.
It would be useful to use the tools just as a guidance to inform a generic code agent imo, but executing the "verified" hardcoded tools narrows the error scope, as long as you can check your data is shaped correctly, the analysis will be correct. Not sure how much of an advantage this is in the long term for working with proprietary datasets, but it's an interesting direction
There is also the possibility of building intelligent workspaces that could prove useful in aiding scientific research:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44509078
I'm personally sceptical that LLMs can currently do this (and it's based on Claude that does test this) but still interesting to see.
> The use of an attenuated B. anthracis strain, low spore concentrations, ineffective dispersal, a clogged spray device, and inactivation of the spores by sunlight are all likely contributing factors to the lack of human cases.
Now you may say, that's bacteria, what about viruses? A similar set of problems would arise, how do you successfully grow virus to high titers? Even vaccine companies struggle to do this with certain viruses. Then the issue of dispersal, infectivity and mortality arise (too quick, it kills the host without spreading and authorities will notice, too slow, same problem: authorities will notice). I haven't even mentioned biological engineering which requires years of technical knowledge and laboratory experience combined with a intimate knowledge of the organism you're working with.
What worries me the most is nature springing a new influenza subtype. Our farming practices, especially in developing countries, is bound to breed a new subtype. It happened in 2009 (H1N1pdm) and it is bound to happen again. We got lucky with H1N1pdm.
1. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3322761/ 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_subway_sarin_attack
Is there anyone in the field who could comment on this?
Of course there's also the possibility of engineering new drugs/treatments and things, which is also super exciting.
For instance, genomic data that may seem identical may not actually be identical. In classic biological representations (FASTA), canonical cytosine and methylated cytosine are both collapsed into the letter "C" even though differences may spur differential gene expression.
What's the optimal tokenization algorithm and architecture for genomic models? How about protein binding prediction? Unclear!
There are so many open questions in biomedical ML.
The openness-impact ratio is arguably as high in biomedicine as anywhere else: if you help answer some of these questions, you could save lives.
Hopefully, awesome frameworks like this lower barriers and attract more people.
If biomedical research and paper analysis is of interest to you, I've been working on a set of open source projects that enable RAG over medical literature for a while.
PaperAI: https://github.com/neuml/paperai
PaperETL: https://github.com/neuml/paperetl
There is also this tool that annotates papers inline.
AnnotateAI: https://github.com/neuml/annotateai
A good wrapper has deep domain knowledge baked into it, combined with automation and expert use of the LLM.
It maybe isn’t super innovative but it’s a bit of an art form and unlocks the utility of the underlying LLM
To present a potential usecase: there's a ridiculous and massive backlog in the Indian judicial system. LLMs can be let loose on the entire workflow: triage cases (simple, complicated, intractable, grouped by legal principles or parties), pull up related caselaw, provide recommendations, throw more LLMs and more reasoning at unclear problems. Now you can't do this with just a desktop and chatgpt, you need a systemic pipeline of LLM-driven workflows, but doing that unlocks potentially billions of dollars of value that is otherwise elusive.
Or just make some up...
Can google search hallucinate webpages?
We are going to see the same for anything that Claude or similar can't handle out of the box.
AFAIK, doing proper RAG is much, much more than this.
What's your technical background if you don't mind me asking?