and the OS asked me to buy a new 1300$€ MacBook hardware (with similar specs, the one I was using wasn't even that old/slow).
So to quote Rick and Morty i though: "That's just subscription with extra steps!" - and made a windows program and an Android app.
zombot · 2h ago
Exactly. Apparently Apple still finds enough idiots who perform that dance, but they've lost me. I can only hope others will follow and xtool looks like it can help.
can16358p · 2m ago
Don't worry, those "idiots" are doing perfectly fine with great salaries and a nice developer experience who apparently figured out using archaic hardware for developing newer devices is practically pointless even if there were software support.
lynx97 · 1h ago
Do you call anyone who isn't of your opinion an idiot?
realusername · 1h ago
I hope you also have a good internet connection because even in 2025, MacOS is incapable of resuming downloads.
TheDong · 3h ago
You have to accept Apple's licensing agreement as part of downloading XCode to run this tool (which relies on XCode's SDKs etc).
Quoting from the license agreement:
> You may not use the Apple Software, Apple Certificates, or any Services provided hereunder for any purpose not expressly permitted by this Agreement, including any applicable Attachments and Schedules. You agree not to install, use or run the Apple SDKs on any non-Apple-branded computer, and not to install, use or run iOS, iPadOS, macOS, tvOS, visionOS, watchOS, and Provisioning Profiles on or in connection with devices other than Apple-branded products, or to enable others to do so.
Both xtool itself, and anyone who uses it, is violating this license agreement, and apple has shown itself in the past to be a real ass about this sort of thing.
I think this can fly under the radar as long as no one uses it, but as soon as people actually start using this tool in any significant amount, I wouldn't be surprised if apple comes for it.
gman83 · 1h ago
These terms and services would also seem to make it a violation to run CI/CD services that enable Windows & Linux users to build React Native or Flutter apps for IOS?
wouldbecouldbe · 39m ago
You need a macOS Server or computer to build via CI/CD
m463 · 1h ago
from what I have always understood...
running under windows/linux booted on apple hardware is fine.
running in a vm/container on apple hardware is fine.
I suspect apple's new container support (like docker supported by apple) is going to make this sort of thing common.
sockbot · 2h ago
So running on Asahi is ok?
scripturial · 2h ago
I’m curious, would Apple know if you are building on Linux on a Mac, or building on Linux on PC?
CharlesW · 2h ago
> Both xtool itself, and anyone who uses it, is violating this license agreement, and apple has shown itself in the past to be a real ass about this sort of thing.
Only with people dumb enough to build businesses on the back of Apple's IP (see: Corellium). Hobbyist/enthusiast use of Apple technologies (see: the Hackintosh community) has a long history of being tolerated.
Can I sideload the app to test/debug it on device without having to log into any online account?
Can I sign the app bundle with my own debug keys?
If no, it's still not interesting to me.
Abishek_Muthian · 44m ago
I was one of the early mobile app developers and after nearly a decade of wrangling with the tools & environment of the duopoly I got fed up and quit mobile app development.
Recently I picked up Flutter and I really liked it. Apart from the declarative programming, not having to touch Android Studio and Xcode for building the app in Linux was the main contributor for the pleasant experience.
I plan to release the app soon so I’ve already paid the Apple Tax for dev license and hardware but I still dread having to use Xcode; hopefully tools like xtool will help in that regard.
lynx97 · 1h ago
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Looks promising. But I am getting the following error when I run 'xtool dev':
> status: "409", code: "ENTITY_ERROR", title: "There is a problem with the request entity", detail: "You already have a current Development certificate or a pending certificate request."
I have even manually copied the development certificate and installed on the iPhone - but keep getting the same error when I do 'xtool dev'
I have searched but none of the solutions worked so far. Will keep trying.
Did anyone get this error and get past it? Please let me know how you got past this error.
iJohnDoe · 3h ago
Can someone explain what this?
yellow_lead · 2h ago
A tutorial showing how to use xtool to develop for iOS on Linux/Windows. Normally, it's limited to Mac OS only.
scripturial · 1h ago
It allows automated builds of an Xcode project on a CI machine, VPS, or docker instance.
it asked me to update Xcode;
Xcode asked me to update the OS first;
and the OS asked me to buy a new 1300$€ MacBook hardware (with similar specs, the one I was using wasn't even that old/slow).
So to quote Rick and Morty i though: "That's just subscription with extra steps!" - and made a windows program and an Android app.
Quoting from the license agreement:
> You may not use the Apple Software, Apple Certificates, or any Services provided hereunder for any purpose not expressly permitted by this Agreement, including any applicable Attachments and Schedules. You agree not to install, use or run the Apple SDKs on any non-Apple-branded computer, and not to install, use or run iOS, iPadOS, macOS, tvOS, visionOS, watchOS, and Provisioning Profiles on or in connection with devices other than Apple-branded products, or to enable others to do so.
Both xtool itself, and anyone who uses it, is violating this license agreement, and apple has shown itself in the past to be a real ass about this sort of thing.
I think this can fly under the radar as long as no one uses it, but as soon as people actually start using this tool in any significant amount, I wouldn't be surprised if apple comes for it.
running under windows/linux booted on apple hardware is fine.
running in a vm/container on apple hardware is fine.
I suspect apple's new container support (like docker supported by apple) is going to make this sort of thing common.
Only with people dumb enough to build businesses on the back of Apple's IP (see: Corellium). Hobbyist/enthusiast use of Apple technologies (see: the Hackintosh community) has a long history of being tolerated.
We need to get EU on this case.
Can I sign the app bundle with my own debug keys?
If no, it's still not interesting to me.
Recently I picked up Flutter and I really liked it. Apart from the declarative programming, not having to touch Android Studio and Xcode for building the app in Linux was the main contributor for the pleasant experience.
I plan to release the app soon so I’ve already paid the Apple Tax for dev license and hardware but I still dread having to use Xcode; hopefully tools like xtool will help in that regard.
https://xtool.sh/documentation/xtool/
This looks damn cool.
> status: "409", code: "ENTITY_ERROR", title: "There is a problem with the request entity", detail: "You already have a current Development certificate or a pending certificate request."
I have even manually copied the development certificate and installed on the iPhone - but keep getting the same error when I do 'xtool dev'
I have searched but none of the solutions worked so far. Will keep trying.
Did anyone get this error and get past it? Please let me know how you got past this error.