I'd actually feel safer if Iran just got it over with and developed/tested their own nuclear weapons. Then SA would get theirs, along with Egypt and Turkey, and all this low-grade (and brutal, primarily to civilians) nonstop warfare in the middle east would come grinding to a halt as everyone is forced to treat their neighbors with respect.
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gmuslera · 47m ago
The elephants in the room are always hard to spot.
cultofmetatron · 4h ago
AIPAC
andrewinardeer · 2h ago
Why is North Korea?
whacko_quacko · 4h ago
Because they already have them. Also, contrary to the mullahs, they haven't defined "destroying state X"^[1] as a fundamental goal in their constitution and aren't part of a death cult that promises paradise if you get yourself martyred while trying to kill your enemy.^[2]
But hey, apart from that they're basically the same...
[1]: North Korea also _really_ shouldn't have nukes, but that ship has sailed.
[2]: The "enemy" obviously includes civilians in the case of Iran.
jordanb · 4h ago
If you read the article you find out that it's against American law to provide weapons if Israel evaded treaties to get nukes. So America is knowingly breaking its own law every time it sends more bombs to Isreal.
whacko_quacko · 3h ago
If you think about the moral implications of the article's premise, you might realize that 5000 words on this topic are nothing more than wasted space
fzeroracer · 47m ago
> they haven't defined "destroying state X"^[1] as a fundamental goal in their constitution
Which is funny, considering Israel is actively destroying neighboring countries and using their relationship with the US as a defensive mechanism. We've seen Israel gleefully murder civilians and glass entire areas then cry about criticism on social media.
bell-cot · 3h ago
Answered in the first 5 words of the subtitle:
> According to our elected leaders, we should be very scared of the possibility that Iran could get a nuclear bomb. But Israel already has them, and ...
For the past 80 years, it's been all-but-guaranteed that you won't win an American election if you seem insufficiently pro-Israel.
Yes, there are plenty of objective arguments for America's foreign policy being far less pro-Israel than it has been for 8+ decades. US Sec. of State (and former US Army General) George Marshall made those arguments to US President Harry Truman back in 1948 - and was overruled. Truman had staked out a pro-Israel position before his previous election (which he had won), then won another election 6 months after overruling Marshall.
- If your real priority is sounding sophisticated, you can make fancy arguments about America being far too pro-Israel.
- If your real priority is understanding why America is so pro-Israel, then you need to shut up with the fancy arguments, and analyze the American electorate's strong preference for that.
- And if your real priority is winning American elections, then you need to present as "obviously" pro-Israel. And ignore the idiots making fancy arguments.
ranger_danger · 4h ago
Because they are allies... at least, that's probably their justification.
Qem · 4h ago
Iran was also an ally... until 1979. Saddam was another ally... until 1990, et cetera.
ranger_danger · 4h ago
Not saying you're wrong, but were the reasons for those alliances failing, because of nukes?
mystraline · 4h ago
For some crazy reason, the USA has this Israel fetish, that they can do no evil.
Even the recent mayoral debates in NYC had "as the mayor would you go to Israel?". And it was some antisemitic litmus test.
And the federal government, under either democrat or republican, has been pro-israel. And states even passed 'can't disparage or ban Israel' laws of various sorts.
And even running a holocaust in Gaza gets you denounced as an antisemite. Surprise, they're all Semites.
But exactly why they're basically untouchable no matter the evil they do by the western powers? I have no bloody clue.
I do know my dad said we should nuke and glass the whole middle east, them included. It'd be the only way the middle east would stop fighting. (He was deployed there, desert storm)
Edit: and -1's poured in less than 1 minute.
anigbrowl · 3h ago
Way too many Americans are Biblical literalists and think there's some kind of cosmic destiny that requires the US to defend Israel.
cbfrench · 2m ago
They’re dispensationalists, though. Actual biblical literalists would probably have a hard time reconciling St. Paul with this idea that the modern nation-state of Israel has anything at all to do with the Israel of either the Old or New Testaments.
kcplate · 3h ago
That might be and while the government certainly takes advantage of that sentiment to preserve its Israel policies, but the real reason the US government supports israel has more to do with the general region being oil rich and having a reliable and strong nuclear secular ally in the region.
happytoexplain · 4h ago
> I do know my dad said we should nuke and glass the whole middle east, them included. It'd be the only way the middle east would stop fighting. (He was deployed there, desert storm)
> Edit: and -1's poured in less than 1 minute.
Re: downvotes, these lines imply immaturity. You should either be explicit about your degree of agreement with your father, or remove the anecdote entirely. And complaining about downvotes is always pointlessly distracting.
Related: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_affair
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But hey, apart from that they're basically the same...
[1]: North Korea also _really_ shouldn't have nukes, but that ship has sailed. [2]: The "enemy" obviously includes civilians in the case of Iran.
Which is funny, considering Israel is actively destroying neighboring countries and using their relationship with the US as a defensive mechanism. We've seen Israel gleefully murder civilians and glass entire areas then cry about criticism on social media.
> According to our elected leaders, we should be very scared of the possibility that Iran could get a nuclear bomb. But Israel already has them, and ...
For the past 80 years, it's been all-but-guaranteed that you won't win an American election if you seem insufficiently pro-Israel.
Yes, there are plenty of objective arguments for America's foreign policy being far less pro-Israel than it has been for 8+ decades. US Sec. of State (and former US Army General) George Marshall made those arguments to US President Harry Truman back in 1948 - and was overruled. Truman had staked out a pro-Israel position before his previous election (which he had won), then won another election 6 months after overruling Marshall.
- If your real priority is sounding sophisticated, you can make fancy arguments about America being far too pro-Israel.
- If your real priority is understanding why America is so pro-Israel, then you need to shut up with the fancy arguments, and analyze the American electorate's strong preference for that.
- And if your real priority is winning American elections, then you need to present as "obviously" pro-Israel. And ignore the idiots making fancy arguments.
Even the recent mayoral debates in NYC had "as the mayor would you go to Israel?". And it was some antisemitic litmus test.
And the federal government, under either democrat or republican, has been pro-israel. And states even passed 'can't disparage or ban Israel' laws of various sorts.
And even running a holocaust in Gaza gets you denounced as an antisemite. Surprise, they're all Semites.
But exactly why they're basically untouchable no matter the evil they do by the western powers? I have no bloody clue.
I do know my dad said we should nuke and glass the whole middle east, them included. It'd be the only way the middle east would stop fighting. (He was deployed there, desert storm)
Edit: and -1's poured in less than 1 minute.
> Edit: and -1's poured in less than 1 minute.
Re: downvotes, these lines imply immaturity. You should either be explicit about your degree of agreement with your father, or remove the anecdote entirely. And complaining about downvotes is always pointlessly distracting.