> if people wanted magazines on topics they care about ... they’d buy ’em.
I do wonder if this is entirely true. Some print magazines I would have liked to subscribe to made it unpalatable in one way or another (dubious cancellation mechanisms etc.)
I looked at subscribing to several magazines within the last few months. One had no explicit cancellation mechanism, one would have been delivered to a courier office several miles away and this one was no longer accepting subscriptions.
I'm sure it's hard to make this work - but perhaps there are self-inflicted speedbumps here as well?
guywithahat · 1d ago
I think it's an issue of customer need. I need a car, I can't get to my job without one, and so I'm willing to pay a $250 non-refundable deposit before knowing my interest rate and wait two months for my model y to come in.
I don't need a magazine, the content is free on HN, so minor inconveniences will prevent me from subscribing. If customers really needed this magazine they wouldn't care about how hard it is to cancel, and the magazine would probably make it easy to cancel because they would have better revenue streams to chase.
dcminter · 1d ago
Hmm, I don't entirely agree - I don't, after all, need my Disney+ subscription, or my Spotify subscription, or several patreon sponsorships.
I think those are comparable. The major intrinsic advantage they have is that they offer immediate gratification. The non-intrinsic advantage they have is that they're low commitment.
When you could pick up a relevant magazine in a shop that had both characteristics. Now it has neither and one of them's self-inflicted.
chiffre01 · 1d ago
Assuming the advertising model still works, yes everything is "free".
xedrac · 1d ago
For me it was the content to ad ratio. So many of these magazines are filled to the brim with ads, and have very little real content. Why would I spend money to look at a bunch of ads?
dcminter · 1d ago
Before all the e-tailers existed one would often buy a computer magazine such as Computer Shopper for the ads and the articles were almost a nuisance. True enough now that the best deals are all online though.
ganoushoreilly · 21h ago
I still have a box of them somewhere, I have one from early 90's that still has all the circles on vendor ads where I was doing price comparisons. Those were the days.
mitjam · 20h ago
This, I got burned by Python Magazine, I tried to cancel before they Auto-prolongued my subscription and stopped publishing even the online only paper a month later. I never got my money back, now, my bar for spending money on magazine subscriptions is very high.
medwards666 · 1d ago
Absolutely this. I've tried in the past to unsubscribe from publications from both Future and Dennis and in both cases it was a tortuous exercise to actually get the subs cancelled.
weinzierl · 1d ago
These posts always fill me with strange mixed feelings.
As someone who grew up in the country without even access to a library, the monthly computer mag was my only source of info and my escape from the world I was in. So there certainly is a good deal of positive nostalgia and sadness.
On the other hand it feels kind of outlandish that some of these magazines survived until this day.
The last time I bought a mag was probably more than a quarter of a century ago
dcminter · 1d ago
> The last time I bought a mag was probably more than a quarter of a century ago
There is some kind of vicious cycle going on I'm sure - where fewer people are buying magazines, so stores have less reason to stock them, so there are fewer opportunities to buy them, so fewer people buy magazines.
Probably a few will survive as niche items at a higher price. I think I'll be ok with that. One would imagine that print-on-demand solutions will emerge for the remaining (or even emerging) niche titles. I'd be nervous to start something new on that basis though.
weinzierl · 1d ago
My point is that in my perception (and certainly for me personally) this cycle ran so fast that the last magazine should have died 30 years ago.
SirFatty · 1d ago
30 years ago is a bit strong... maybe 20-25.
1995 Computer Shopper was going strong, Wired had only been around for a couple years. Music and woodworking mags were still decent... no, I think the 90s was a great magazine time.
KerrAvon · 1d ago
The death of magazines has been coming for a while, but it’s definitely more recent than some think. I know people who bought iPads circa 2010-2012 to be able to read magazines more conveniently. Digital magazine subscriptions were a big thing at one point not that long ago.
dcminter · 1d ago
Sure, and I agree except that I'd put the date a lot later; a lot of magazine reading was done on-the-go, so the point at which reading on the mobile phone was ubiquitous would be the delimiter for my expectations. Nobody was reading substantial content on a Nokia 6210. I don't think the mobile revolution really became overwhelming until around 2010.
Perhaps the remnants hung on after that because it took people 15 years to get their cancellations accepted ;)
weinzierl · 1d ago
I guess it is just me, because I spent the second half of the 90s in lecture halls at daytime and in the CIP pool at night;) The privilege of early access to fast Internet for the underprivileged kid spoiled me, but hell was immersing in the suddenly available ocean of information a fun ride.
AdmiralAsshat · 21h ago
I was still reading it quite regularly up until recently via my library (or, more accurately, through the Libby app on my tablet).
ChocolateGod · 1d ago
Linux Format shipping Mandrake Linux was how I first got into Linux, 25 years is impressive for a magazine with such a little niche audience.
treve · 1d ago
Any (niche) print magazines anyone would recommend? Seems kind of fun to get something in the mail every month.
I got a lifetime subscription for 2600 from my parents when I was in high school, and I subscribed to Eighty only a few years ago. My biggest gripe with larger magazines is all the ads, and uninteresting content throughout them; typically I only end up reading one or two articles and then the whole magazine feels like a bit of a waste. both 2600 and Eighty have very little/no ads, and feel more niche and content focused. Eighty is actually printed like a very nice paperback book.
Suppafly · 23h ago
>My biggest gripe with larger magazines is all the ads
The ads essentially pay for everything and your subscription is just profit. This was super obvious 20ish years ago, when you could subscribe to a bunch of them for free despite the cover price being ~$4-5+. I haven't looked in years, but there used to be websites that would list ones that you could get for free. I had Maxim for years because it could it get it for free. A bunch of gamer type ones always had it where you could get a year or more for free. I think we used to always get PC Gamer or something similar for free when I was a kid.
ganoushoreilly · 21h ago
<3 for the Lifetime to 2600. Sure there's a lot of randomness in it, but that's what makes it a Gem.
iroddis · 21h ago
I subscribe to both Linux Magazine and Admin Magazine, both at [1]. I found they are more technical than Linux Format, and I’ve often come across things in them that have been useful and wouldn’t have shown up in my normal stream of news.
I would highly recommend them to anyone interested, they’re also surprisingly re-readable.
I used to get CODE magazine a few years back, not even sure if they are still printing, but I used to get a few hours of good reads (circa 2017)
medwards666 · 1d ago
CODE is still going. Very focussed on .Net and the whole Microsoft ecosystem, but you can still get hold of it (although I think it's subscription only, won't find it on any newsstands)
sixtyj · 22h ago
You can try stackmagazines.com - they do independent magazines club - so you will be surprised every month…
parenthesis · 1d ago
Sound on Sound
GuinansEyebrows · 1d ago
And if you want to get even more niche, Tape Op!
spiffytech · 1d ago
I previously enjoyed 2600 Magazine, which I see is still running. Good hacker content.
DrillShopper · 1d ago
I've always found the content in 2600 to be of widely variable quality, but it's definitely a publication I like to support.
Voklen · 17h ago
I have quite a decent collection of these and only cancelled my subscription about a year ago. I just didn't read them as much as I once did and couldn't justify the cost. I did love them when I did read them though.
davidwritesbugs · 23h ago
This makes me so sad. I wrote a number of articles for them when Nick Veitch was editor. They paid well and respected my copy.
vmilner · 1d ago
I got the Linux Answers “trial” magazine and then subscribed to Linux Format for ~20 years. Sorry to see it go :-(
pjmlp · 1d ago
Oh, I had quite a few of those.
Yeah most newstands are quite a sad picture from technical magazines versus 30 - 40 years ago.
GuinansEyebrows · 23h ago
feelings-vomit incoming:
i grew up obsessed with the idea of magazines in general. some of my favorites included EGM, MacAddict (especially the first few years - i'd probably think the "attitude" annoying nowadays but younger me LOVED it), 2600 (still subscribed) and so many more i've forgotten over the years. almost every magazine i cared about is gone now except 2600, which survives i think mainly as a labor of love but maybe the editor team still makes a living from it.
to me, a magazine represents something more than just the raw content - others have mentioned the benefit of being exposed to more topics than you might have initially been interested in (i know i learned a lot more about storage technologies from linux magazines as a kid who never had access to fancy RAID/SAS hardware than i otherwise would have). there's also something nice about a publication with a variety of authors that are all wrangled together under a good editorial team that makes everything feel so much more cohesive than a lot of team-published blogs/online things. i also always really enjoyed the physicality of magazines, from displaying years-long collections to the idea of just pulling an old issue off the shelf to revisit a time in the past. blogs etc just don't do anything for me - i find a lot of what i read online just leaks out of my brain compared to printed publications. layouts - what a herculean effort even in the days of QuarkXpress! a blog with a nice stylesheet just doesn't compare, personally.
i'm glad that there's still a fairly vibrant zine community out there but as a rule, they're often one-person labors of love. even the venerable Maximum Rocknroll went digital-only because of the cost and effort required to wrangle articles from submissions all over the world.
if i may... everybody, go subscribe to 2600 right now. it's not expensive, and the quality varies, but that's because it's all user submissions - write your own articles! it's really one of the only fully-independent tech publications that still exists and it's truly the treasure of a scene that's changed wildly since it's inception.
leephillips · 1d ago
I have an extra reason to be sad about this, as a writer who had at least one article published in _Linux Format_ (“Julia: Learn the New Language for Scientific Computing”, back in 2019: https://linuxformat.com/archives?issue=246). It’s another reduction in the size of the reasonably-paying market for long pieces with technical content.
unethical_ban · 1d ago
No amount of LF articles could help me set up Nagios correctly.
RIP. I suspect there are some copies in a stack somewhere in my possession. I really enjoyed wondering which software I would learn about each month.
pinoy420 · 1d ago
These were significantly more cool when internet access was rare
dcminter · 1d ago
I agree except that I'd say "when internet access was not ubiquitous" actually. One of the major reasons I bought magazines was to have light reading when commuting by public transport (in my case into central London from the suburbs).
Once the mobile phone had more and more-up-to-date material available there were fewer reasons to buy a magazine.
Nowadays a magazine is something I purchase as a luxury when I specifically want to be offline and without distractions (but even there my Kindle usually does the job just as well).
I must say I miss the quality and depth of writing that one got in Byte and PCW of yesteryear - even though I recognise that the online stuff often exceeds it in both breadth and quality.
bombcar · 1d ago
The best part (for me) was not only the enforced curation but the exposure to "stuff you didn't know you wanted to know about".
With the modern Internet you go right to what you want and rarely see links to things you don't know about already - magazines were great for that, especially on a train ride where you have nothing much better to do than read the "other parts".
dcminter · 1d ago
HN generally serves that purpose for me!
tonyedgecombe · 23h ago
>I must say I miss the quality and depth of writing that one got in Byte and PCW of yesteryear - even though I recognise that the online stuff often exceeds it in both breadth and quality.
My worry is the online stuff is going to fade away as well. After all what's the point of publishing online if some AI is going to regurgitate your hard work for $20/month.
I do wonder if this is entirely true. Some print magazines I would have liked to subscribe to made it unpalatable in one way or another (dubious cancellation mechanisms etc.)
I looked at subscribing to several magazines within the last few months. One had no explicit cancellation mechanism, one would have been delivered to a courier office several miles away and this one was no longer accepting subscriptions.
I'm sure it's hard to make this work - but perhaps there are self-inflicted speedbumps here as well?
I don't need a magazine, the content is free on HN, so minor inconveniences will prevent me from subscribing. If customers really needed this magazine they wouldn't care about how hard it is to cancel, and the magazine would probably make it easy to cancel because they would have better revenue streams to chase.
I think those are comparable. The major intrinsic advantage they have is that they offer immediate gratification. The non-intrinsic advantage they have is that they're low commitment.
When you could pick up a relevant magazine in a shop that had both characteristics. Now it has neither and one of them's self-inflicted.
As someone who grew up in the country without even access to a library, the monthly computer mag was my only source of info and my escape from the world I was in. So there certainly is a good deal of positive nostalgia and sadness.
On the other hand it feels kind of outlandish that some of these magazines survived until this day. The last time I bought a mag was probably more than a quarter of a century ago
There is some kind of vicious cycle going on I'm sure - where fewer people are buying magazines, so stores have less reason to stock them, so there are fewer opportunities to buy them, so fewer people buy magazines.
Probably a few will survive as niche items at a higher price. I think I'll be ok with that. One would imagine that print-on-demand solutions will emerge for the remaining (or even emerging) niche titles. I'd be nervous to start something new on that basis though.
1995 Computer Shopper was going strong, Wired had only been around for a couple years. Music and woodworking mags were still decent... no, I think the 90s was a great magazine time.
Perhaps the remnants hung on after that because it took people 15 years to get their cancellations accepted ;)
I got a lifetime subscription for 2600 from my parents when I was in high school, and I subscribed to Eighty only a few years ago. My biggest gripe with larger magazines is all the ads, and uninteresting content throughout them; typically I only end up reading one or two articles and then the whole magazine feels like a bit of a waste. both 2600 and Eighty have very little/no ads, and feel more niche and content focused. Eighty is actually printed like a very nice paperback book.
The ads essentially pay for everything and your subscription is just profit. This was super obvious 20ish years ago, when you could subscribe to a bunch of them for free despite the cover price being ~$4-5+. I haven't looked in years, but there used to be websites that would list ones that you could get for free. I had Maxim for years because it could it get it for free. A bunch of gamer type ones always had it where you could get a year or more for free. I think we used to always get PC Gamer or something similar for free when I was a kid.
I would highly recommend them to anyone interested, they’re also surprisingly re-readable.
[1] https://www.linux-magazine.com/
Yeah most newstands are quite a sad picture from technical magazines versus 30 - 40 years ago.
i grew up obsessed with the idea of magazines in general. some of my favorites included EGM, MacAddict (especially the first few years - i'd probably think the "attitude" annoying nowadays but younger me LOVED it), 2600 (still subscribed) and so many more i've forgotten over the years. almost every magazine i cared about is gone now except 2600, which survives i think mainly as a labor of love but maybe the editor team still makes a living from it.
to me, a magazine represents something more than just the raw content - others have mentioned the benefit of being exposed to more topics than you might have initially been interested in (i know i learned a lot more about storage technologies from linux magazines as a kid who never had access to fancy RAID/SAS hardware than i otherwise would have). there's also something nice about a publication with a variety of authors that are all wrangled together under a good editorial team that makes everything feel so much more cohesive than a lot of team-published blogs/online things. i also always really enjoyed the physicality of magazines, from displaying years-long collections to the idea of just pulling an old issue off the shelf to revisit a time in the past. blogs etc just don't do anything for me - i find a lot of what i read online just leaks out of my brain compared to printed publications. layouts - what a herculean effort even in the days of QuarkXpress! a blog with a nice stylesheet just doesn't compare, personally.
i'm glad that there's still a fairly vibrant zine community out there but as a rule, they're often one-person labors of love. even the venerable Maximum Rocknroll went digital-only because of the cost and effort required to wrangle articles from submissions all over the world.
if i may... everybody, go subscribe to 2600 right now. it's not expensive, and the quality varies, but that's because it's all user submissions - write your own articles! it's really one of the only fully-independent tech publications that still exists and it's truly the treasure of a scene that's changed wildly since it's inception.
RIP. I suspect there are some copies in a stack somewhere in my possession. I really enjoyed wondering which software I would learn about each month.
Once the mobile phone had more and more-up-to-date material available there were fewer reasons to buy a magazine.
Nowadays a magazine is something I purchase as a luxury when I specifically want to be offline and without distractions (but even there my Kindle usually does the job just as well).
I must say I miss the quality and depth of writing that one got in Byte and PCW of yesteryear - even though I recognise that the online stuff often exceeds it in both breadth and quality.
With the modern Internet you go right to what you want and rarely see links to things you don't know about already - magazines were great for that, especially on a train ride where you have nothing much better to do than read the "other parts".
My worry is the online stuff is going to fade away as well. After all what's the point of publishing online if some AI is going to regurgitate your hard work for $20/month.