The most impact will be achieved on java standard library, like Streams (cited in the article). Right now, although their behavior is well stablished and they are mostly used in the "factory" mode (no user subclassing or implementation of the stream api), they cannot be shipped with the JVM already compiled.
If you can find a way (which this JEP is one way) to make the bulk of the java standard api AOT compiled, then java programs will be faster (much faster).
Also, the JVM is already an engine marvel (java JIT code is fast as hell), but this will make java programs much nimbler.
rzwitserloot · 10h ago
I assume you meant with the AOT argument: "The initial few minutes of a JVM's existence, which would be the entire lifetime if you're using java the way you use e.g. your average executable in your `/usr/bin` dir".
Saying "java programs will be faster" is perhaps a bit misleading to those who don't know how java works. This will speed up only the first moments of a JVM execution, nothing more. Or, I misread the JEP, in which case I'd owe you one if you can explain what I missed.
As a java developer this will be lightly convenient when developing. We go through JVM warmup a lot more than your average user ever does. Personally I think I'm on the low end (I like debuggers, and I don't use TDD-style "what I work on is dictated by a unit test run and thus I rerun the tests a lot during development". But still it excites me somewhat, so that should mean your average java dev should be excited quite a bit by this.
I am not all that experienced in it, but I gather that lambda-style java deployments (self contained simple apps that run on demand and could in theory be operating on a 'lets boot up a JVM to run this tiny job which won't last more than half a second') have looong ago moved on from actually booting JVMs for every job, such as by using Graal, an existing AOT tool. But if you weren't using those, hoo boy. This gives every java app 'graal level bootup' for as far as I can tell effectively free (a smidge of disk space to store the profile).
For the kinds of java deployments I'm more familiar with (a server that boots as the box boots and stays running until a reboot is needed to update deps or the app itself), this probably won't cause a noticable performance boost.
indolering · 7h ago
I thought Graal was going to slowly replace HotSpot?
vips7L · 5h ago
There was talk of the graal jit replacing C2, but native image will never replace HotSpot.
indolering · 7h ago
OpenJ9 has had some of this type of functionality for a while now. Glad to see the difference between interpreted and compiled languages continue to get fuzzier.
rst · 8h ago
Faint echoes of the very first optimizing compiler, Fortran I, which did a monte carlo simulation of the flow graph to attempt to detect hot spots in the flow graph so it could allocate registers to inner loops first.
tikkabhuna · 10h ago
Is this similar/the same as Azul Zing’s ReadyNow feature?
nmstoker · 16h ago
Would be interesting if the Faster Python team considered this approach for Python (although maybe they already did?)
mshockwave · 12h ago
in addition to storing profiles, what about caching some native code? so that we can eliminate the JIT overhead for hot functions
EDIT: they describe this in their "Alternative" section as future work
If you can find a way (which this JEP is one way) to make the bulk of the java standard api AOT compiled, then java programs will be faster (much faster).
Also, the JVM is already an engine marvel (java JIT code is fast as hell), but this will make java programs much nimbler.
Saying "java programs will be faster" is perhaps a bit misleading to those who don't know how java works. This will speed up only the first moments of a JVM execution, nothing more. Or, I misread the JEP, in which case I'd owe you one if you can explain what I missed.
As a java developer this will be lightly convenient when developing. We go through JVM warmup a lot more than your average user ever does. Personally I think I'm on the low end (I like debuggers, and I don't use TDD-style "what I work on is dictated by a unit test run and thus I rerun the tests a lot during development". But still it excites me somewhat, so that should mean your average java dev should be excited quite a bit by this.
I am not all that experienced in it, but I gather that lambda-style java deployments (self contained simple apps that run on demand and could in theory be operating on a 'lets boot up a JVM to run this tiny job which won't last more than half a second') have looong ago moved on from actually booting JVMs for every job, such as by using Graal, an existing AOT tool. But if you weren't using those, hoo boy. This gives every java app 'graal level bootup' for as far as I can tell effectively free (a smidge of disk space to store the profile).
For the kinds of java deployments I'm more familiar with (a server that boots as the box boots and stays running until a reboot is needed to update deps or the app itself), this probably won't cause a noticable performance boost.
EDIT: they describe this in their "Alternative" section as future work