I’ve had tattoos removed and currently removing two more. They are all 20 years old, very faded, blurry they honestly just didn’t look good any more.
The first removal 5 years ago would leave me bleeding and require bandage changes for a week.
The new tattoo removal lasers leave you feeling like a sun burn for two days. No blood, no bandages.
It will become way more common.
RadiozRadioz · 2h ago
If there is anything that's a constant in life, it's that nothing is a constant. Tattoos have a permanence that is rarely matched by one's character - many people don't seem to realise that.
ryoshu · 2m ago
I got inked twice before I made a commitment to my third tattoo on my wrist so it would be plainly visible. I committed to never working with or for someone who refused to hire a person because of something like a tattoo. Sometimes the commitment goes beyond the ink on the skin.
mtrovo · 1h ago
You know, as much as I want to agree, it feels a bit shallow to look at life that way. I've got tattoos, sometimes people ask me "What does this represent to you?" and honestly I never really know what to say because I don't overthink them. What I do remember is where I was, what I was doing, and my whole vibe back then. It's a cool reminder that nothing stays the same and that I'm a different person now. It's kind of like asking your grandpa the story behind a scar he has.
Now lately I feel like the speed on which trends are born and die, the non-stop over sharing, and that constant itch for "what's next" is really pushing us all to become these kind of formless blobs, scared to show any real "edges." For example:
- Cars all kinda look the same now and are mostly some shade of grey. Same deal with phones and pretty much all tech.
- Buying clothes with bland colors with almost no originality with the expectation that it will probably be in the bin the next season.
- The whole clean girl aesthetic on putting in a ton of effort to look like you put in zero effort.
- And don't get me started on how sad beige parenting is not a joke
You only live once, there's no scoreboard at the end. Just do what you want with your life. More often than you'd probably like to admit, nobody really cares that much anyway.
NegativeK · 1h ago
I got my tattoo when I was about half my current age. I wasn't too worried about not liking it later -- I'd wanted the idea for a few years, and I figured that it'd be a good memory if I changed later.
I didn't change later. I had another artist expand the design about ten years ago. And while it had some meaning when I got the first round, I've realized over time that it means a whole lot more to me as I've learned more about myself.
But when someone asks me what it means, I just shrug it off. I'm not sharing that kind of thing with people.
Wojtkie · 29m ago
I approach it the same way. My tattoos don't "mean" anything, and honestly I find the ones that have "meaning" to not be that great. My tattoos do remind me of where I was in my life. I also stick to American traditional style since they tend to age pretty well.
ravenstine · 2h ago
This is why I likely will never get a tattoo of any kind, other than the fact that I simply have no desire for one. Some people become themselves early in life, but I feel like I different person every year that goes by. I don't even like the kinds of clothes I used to wear not that long ago, so I know I would soon hate any tattoo I'd get.
schwartzworld · 2h ago
It all depends. I got a couple of tattoos 20 years ago and I’m not that guy. But seeing those tattoos connects me to who I used to be, and even if I wouldn’t go get them now, I could never regret them.
It also helps that my tattoos are wholly original, i.e. not based on some trend, and that I chose the subject matter specifically because I didn’t think it was possible to hate it later on (a dinosaur and a 4d hypercube). Like, am I ever going to hate dinosaurs? I’ve loved them for 40ish years already.
crab_galaxy · 1h ago
I got a ‘meaningful’ tattoo on my 18th birthday. I don’t fully relate to it with the same passion 20 years later. I still like it though for different reasons. It’s a snapshot of who I was and what I stood for when I got it. Tbh I don’t regret it at all and mostly forget I even have the thing. I think I’m lucky to have a mindset to appreciate that permanence, a lot of people end up regretting ‘meaningful’ tattoos once they lose their meaning.
RandallBrown · 1h ago
I kind of want a tattoo because I'd like to know what it feels like to get one. I don't think I'll ever get one though. I have a hard enough time deciding what kind of art to hang on my walls.
noxer · 50m ago
You can get one that's only visible under UV light, but given the topic here it might be relevant to know that these are much harder to remove and also if they age they may become visible under normal light and/or stop fluoresced under UV light.
bluefirebrand · 1h ago
Don't believe the people who say it's not that bad
It hurts a ton. It bleeds a lot
It wasn't intolerable pain, but it's not "not that bad" either
kamarg · 1h ago
Really depends on where you get it done. On your forearm? Not that bad. On your scalp? Hope you take a stick to bite down on while you get it done.
kube-system · 2h ago
I'm not sure, in my experience, the older people I know with tats have exactly the personality that goes along with it.
ramoz · 34m ago
I don’t regret or fancy my decade old tattoos.
They symbolize a past life to me basically, and that brings meaning and unique introspection to me in a way.
6stringmerc · 8m ago
A guy in jail once described his tattoos as “a permanent reminder of a temporary idea” and I found it insightful.
nineplay · 2h ago
It depends on one's outlook. I know people who's attitude is both "boy that was a dumb tattoo to get at 18" and "dumb 18 year old me is still me, and I don't want to remove that tattoo any more that I want to remove that part of myself".
Obviously circumstances may change if the tattoo is offensive.
ramoz · 31m ago
Your second perspective captures my personal take. I feel indifferent about the actual ink at this point. It’s more about a personal/symbolic mark of who I am, who I was, maybe who I’ll be - all the same person. No regrets.
dvh · 2h ago
"Nothing lasts forever, only change" --Genghis Khan
tough · 2h ago
change is the only constant
pixelpoet · 1h ago
except from vending machines
gardenhedge · 2h ago
Some people get them as things they have done or experienced. In that sense it doesn't matter if they change in life because their story hasn't.
owebmaster · 2h ago
For many of us keeping a reference to not change/forget some things is a strategy not a mistake.
JohnMakin · 2h ago
And I only recently got my first tattoo around 40. Not sure this article makes it clear what is driving this trend? Tattoos come and go out of style even in my own life (when i was young to young adult, it was bad, then it was good, now seemingly bad again). If I don’t like my tattoo in 20 years I really don’t care, you can always replace it with more work if it fades. Probably will get more. It isn’t very expensive. It’s a form of expression I can’t really get anywhere else - I like looking at my tattoo and dont particularly care what anyone thinks of it.
kevin_thibedeau · 1h ago
> Not sure this article makes it clear what is driving this trend
People who got inked in the 90s tattoo boom are now wearing blurry smudges unless they were careful to minimize the fine detail.
parpfish · 1h ago
I’d assume that the driving force is just “more people have tattoos”
prmoustache · 53m ago
This, back in the days having a tatoo was a symbol of rebellion against a norm. Now that everyone and his mother is law has one, it has become a symbol of submission to the norm and establishment.
6stringmerc · 5m ago
I laugh that my most obvious form of rebellion is not going with the trend of getting any ink or piercings.
Those large gauge ear plugs didn’t age well AT ALL.
PcChip · 2h ago
I'm 40 now, and have always wanted a tattoo but could never decide what I should get. I was thinking something linux or maybe vmware related because I love both of those things. Very glad I didn't get anything vmware related now!
opan · 1h ago
A tattoo of proprietary software or really any company seems kind of sad and dystopian to me. Nothing against vmware in particular. I recall an old meme collage of a bunch of people with Apple tattoos that was not putting them in a favorable light.
Maybe a Sun logo could be an exception, they're not around anymore, so it feels more like nostalgia or grieving instead of "this company owns me". I wasn't around/aware when Sun was, also, so they feel more like a mythical thing from a story to me than an old company.
rambambram · 20m ago
I had the same idea about a linux tattoo. Then I decided I could also design a new linux t-shirt or sweater for myself each year.
paidsearchguy · 55m ago
You're too smart to write on yourself
failrate · 1h ago
I had a similar issue, so I just got something small and essentially random. Now that the seal is broken, thinking of more tattoos is easy.
H3X_K1TT3N · 28m ago
I used to want the visual c++ 6 icon lol
EnPissant · 32m ago
> Not sure this article makes it clear what is driving this trend?
Once too many people do something, it's not cool anymore.
hluska · 1h ago
A friend of mine tattoos in my city and we were talking about this a few weekends ago. He mentioned three related things that contribute to removals he’s aware of.
Tattooing got immensely popular and a lot of people who shouldn’t not have taken on apprentices took on apprentices. The quality of apprenticeships dropped and artists were getting put on skin way before they were ready. Many artists never learned proper technique or placement.
Styles changed so people were getting their first tattoos in visible places. When he started tattooing, artists wouldn’t do a first tattoo somewhere visible unless the client had a very very good reason. It always took dialogue. Now you can walk into a shop, point to flash and get it out on your neck or hand.
And finally, realism hit tattoos.
So in his opinion. You take a lot of artists who shouldn’t have been putting ink into grapefruits not skin. Put them to them to work on highly visible realistic looking art on people who don’t know enough about tattoo to know whether they’re making a mistake. And you end up with a lot of people staring at visible art that didn’t heal properly, with blown out lines and poor placement.
I didn’t get tattooed until after another good friend had finished his apprenticeship- I’m very glad I waited because I love my art and will slowly keep getting more. But I feel bad for people who fell into that trap of getting an unqualified artist to put bad art on their bodies.
opan · 1h ago
I think you meant "should" and not "shouldn't" both times used here, if I'm understanding what you're trying to say correctly.
magicalhippo · 14m ago
Having a well-made tattoo is one thing. But most of the kids with tattoos these days seem to just have a bunch of random small tattoos sprinkled all over with no discernible rhyme or reason, and that I just don't get.
That said, I'm old enough that most of those could be my kids, so I realize I'm an old fart at this point.
Balgair · 6m ago
One good one I heard is that before you get a tattoo, go to the local water park. You'll have ample time waiting in line to look at what your hypothetical tattoo, or a close enough one, will look like on all sorts of bodies and skins.
CompoundEyes · 1h ago
My grandma used to have a copy of "The Sneetches" by Dr. Suess I read as a kid. A guy rolls into town and convinces all the sneetches critters that they ought to have a star put on their stomach to be special with a machine he built. Then when everyone gets one they don't feel special so he offers a machine to remove them. Chaos ensues.
ghaff · 2h ago
It used to be that tattoos were a marker of some combination of lower class, military, sports, etc. But you'd pretty much never see them in general on most middle/upper-class professionals. That changed with developers etc. over the past couple decades. Not shocking that might reverse. Not personal commentary but just an observation.
kube-system · 2h ago
I think society's attitude towards people with tattoos ebbs and flows over time too. I think with the recent political happenings we might be in a bit of an ebb.
apercu · 2h ago
> lower class, military, sports, etc.
I think I'd put "counter culture" rather than lower class.
voidspark · 1h ago
No it was definitely for the lower class only.
Now it’s “counter culture” to not have a tattoo. They are so common. They have become a sign of conformity.
jansan · 1h ago
I would describe me and my environment as pretty normal middle class and I do not know a single person who has a visible tattoo.
voidspark · 59m ago
I don't know where you live or what generation you are in. In my country, it seems that every young woman has a tattoo.
kbelder · 42m ago
I think a majority, perhaps nearly all, of my daughter's friends have tattoos (early 20s). Not huge ones... a little flower on the ankle, etc. This is in the Pacific Northwest, though. They really got big here, to the point I agree it's a little rebellious of a young person to not get a tattoo.
38% of women vs 27% of men. The number would be higher for young women.
travisjungroth · 2h ago
“Lower class” matches. There was a time that tattoos were seen as something for sailors and convicts.
apercu · 1h ago
Not really for the last 30 years?
ghaff · 1h ago
"There was a time"? Which I think pretty much matches.
ghaff · 2h ago
There's probably a lot of intersection. Don't really disagree. Though counter-culture folks I went to school with in engineering/etc. still didn't tend to have tattoos.
paidsearchguy · 52m ago
lower class worked quite nicely actually
bawolff · 1h ago
My understanding is that it was an upper class thing in the late 1800s.
Fashion goes in cycles and all that.
gamblor956 · 1h ago
Middle and upper class professionals have plenty of tattoos. They just have them in places that are easily covered up when they're at work.
vorpalhex · 2h ago
I really like my tattoos but this is why I've chosen to have them in easily covered areas.
Tattoos say different things to different people in different times. Right now tattoos are fine in most white collar settings but this won't always be the case.
tehjoker · 2h ago
well if the capitalists get their way, we'll be lower class soon enough! :D
brokegrammer · 2h ago
I got a tattoo to cover a birth mark a while ago. I used to be nervous about people seeing the mark before, now I enjoy people looking at my tattoo instead.
I think tattoos are cool because it's art where your body is the canvas. Pure human evolution really. I'll be getting more tattoos soon.
vunderba · 1h ago
During the height of my adolescence, I had pretty bad acne and jokingly wanted to get a constellation tattoo connecting the pock marks to distract from it.
gardenhedge · 2h ago
I didn't realise you can do that. Is the mark incorporated in the design or actually covered?
schwartzworld · 2h ago
Flat birthmarks are fine. I was told you can’t tattoo over raised ones, although I suspect this might be more about detecting skin cancer than anything else.
brokegrammer · 1h ago
Yea my tattoo artist told me that some skin surfaces can't be tattooed but mine was just a weird looking pattern. Could be about skin cancer or macrophages that feed on the ink.
brokegrammer · 1h ago
I got it covered but I thought about getting a more elaborate design at some point. I wanted something minimalist as my first tattoo to see how it does. Now that I like tattoos I'm gonna experiment more in the future.
It's definitely doable and could be a boost in confidence for some people, like it was for me.
goda90 · 2h ago
It seems like the market has filled up with body art that fits someplace between permanent tattoos and the little toy temporary tattoos that are basically stickers. Stuff that lasts for weeks, months, or years before fading away. Encouraging people to try those out first before committing to something permanent would be wise.
failrate · 1h ago
It turns out that those ephemeral tattoos did not fade out in time and are extremely problematic when trying to laser remove them. The company that originally started that tech is gone, and the "ephemeral" tattoos they created are still around.
gamblor956 · 1h ago
I think the parent is actually referring to the sticker tattoos that wash away within a few days (or all at once if you use shampoo).
They're pretty great for vacations and events.
BoxFour · 2h ago
The article touches on this only briefly at the end, but I wonder whether the popularity of tattoos is beginning to wane. After more than a decade of a cultural embrace of tattoos, we could be starting to see the fashionability of tattoos decline (and then I'm sure it'll be back in a couple decades).
mnky9800n · 2h ago
But this is also why face tattoos are more popular. Face tattoos are still considered “hardcore” of whatever. Before just having a tattoo anywhere made you an outsider. But then emo happened and everything that was cool was commoditized and now the modern world is the way it is. Or something. I don’t know how you feel but I think we should blame the world on emo.
Mike Tyson's is very clean, but personally I just don't like "tribal" tattoos unless you're Maori or part of a cultural that does them. They seem more cohesive somehow.
Ok, I do like her head tattoos.
kevin_thibedeau · 48m ago
It's generally an indicator of poor impulse control. Lack of taste comes with the package.
I think social media has done what it does best, skewing people perspective. Look up almost any tattoo artist on social media and you'll see a portfolio of beautiful work. Artists never post their bad tattoos (Ariel DeJesus excluded). It makes it seem like everyone is giving and getting amazing tattoos. Then when someone gets a tattoo and it's just average, they are disappointed.
didgetmaster · 2h ago
The Dr. Seuss story about the Sneetches comes to mind.
ramoz · 3h ago
I'm in LA and it's a very big trend here atm. My thought is some cultural influencers are leading the way but I'm not really in tune.
ramesh31 · 2h ago
It seems mostly like induced demand from the equipment being cheap and readily available these days. People have always regretted their tattoos after getting older, but it was never a thing in the 90s or 2000s to just go down to a local clinic and have it done for a few hundred bucks. It was something you just heard about rich/famous people doing every now and then.
kragen · 1h ago
> "Suits make a corporate comeback," says the New York Times. Why does this sound familiar? Maybe because the suit was also back in February, September 2004, June 2004, March 2004, September 2003, November 2002, April 2002, and February 2002.
> Why do the media keep running stories saying suits are back? Because PR firms tell them to. One of the most surprising things I discovered during my brief business career was the existence of the PR industry, lurking like a huge, quiet submarine beneath the news. Of the stories you read in traditional media that aren't about politics, crimes, or disasters, more than half probably come from PR firms.
More people have tattoos, so it's only natural that more people would get tattoos removed. Doesn't strike me as particularly surprising.
It's a lengthy, expensive, and often painful process. Getting shoddy work covered might be a better deal in some cases.
jsbisviewtiful · 2h ago
Right - The tech/procedure to remove bad tats is also getting less expensive and more available. Very misleading headline imo
fmxsh · 1h ago
Tattoos as fashion: The height of youthful confidence; when one's 20-year-old self presumes to know what one's 40-year-old self will desire.
bluefirebrand · 1h ago
It's really easy actually
You just pick something really cool when you're 20, and then you resist turning into a boring person who hates what you used to like when you're 40
kbelder · 38m ago
It's called "Peter Pan Syndrome".
bluefirebrand · 7m ago
Naw
It's just having the maturity to realize that you don't have to stop having fun just because you're getting older
It's also important to have the maturity to realize that there is a time and place for embracing your inner child
I have a tattoo of a sword buried in molten rock on my bicep. It was kind of inspired by the bonfire from Dark Souls. I don't tend to go around showing it off at work events or whatever.
I absolutely do not regret it even though it is admittedly kind of a childish tattoo. I think it's cool. I show it off to people that I think will also think it's cool
wewewedxfgdf · 29m ago
Imagine deciding in your early 20's back in the 1990's to put on that awful floral shirt and those jeans torns and ripped with paisley patches. Your mullet hairstyle, your 10 earrings.
Now that's your fashion decision for the rest of your life because you thought this is such a cool look, you'll wear it until you die.
That's tattoos.
PeterStuer · 19m ago
That is absolutely how I feel about it.
And even if you don't, the world changes.
Someone I know got his band logo tattooed, a big HP. Then a decade later 'Harry Potter' becomes the iconic HP with a similar style font ....
ir77 · 2h ago
all the tramp stamps and terrible back tattoos from early 2000s?
i see more aging hipsters than ever with sleeves and they seem to keep adding, so i wonder if this is "genre" specific.
guywithahat · 26m ago
Tattoos come and go in fads, and it's weird how some people will insist their quirky line tattoo is an ephemeral trend
kristopolous · 1h ago
Since tattoos themselves have greatly increased what's really going on here?
tom89999 · 1h ago
I am thinking what all that stuff written and drawn on people should tell me?
I cant even talk to them while commuting, they only stare in their phones.
What is it my business when the litte daughter was born or a half readable scribbling above the boobs is there?
I dont get many tatoos, some of them you see around the world in the same manner.
Some are complete bullshit.
But well, as long as people have money for getting and then removing them, all is fine.
atoav · 33m ago
If the pool of people having tattoos grows (and it does), so does the total amount of people removing them.
The more interesting question is how the percentages changed — although that very likely just tells you something about the quality and availability of tattoo removal services.
zingababba · 1h ago
I got my entire arm blacked out like 20 years ago, back before it became a subtrend. Back when I did it I think I had only ever seen it one other place and that was some guy featured in BME. Whenever people ask me about it I tell them the truth, which is when I did it I was obsessed with taking things to their logical extreme, and blackout to me at the time was the logical extreme of tattoo, which is covering your skin in ink. I've since had my other arm done with an extremely colourful trippy design. The contrast is immediate but the story for me is one of life stages, and not just any life stages but my life stages. I don't care what the current fashion is, they're staying.
9283409232 · 49m ago
When the president of El Salvador started throwing people in concentration camps based on tattoos, I said gangs will adapt and just stop getting such prominent tattoos. I wonder if that has something to do with this.
hooverd · 2h ago
There's a lot of bad tattoos out there. It's something people should give more thought to, but tattoos can look really good if they're done well.
GuinansEyebrows · 2h ago
more people have tattoos that, given other social indicators, would probably not have gotten (as many) tattoos as they might have in the past. it's definitely been something of a fad over the last decade or so that seems to be ebbing a bit (at least according to friends of mine who tattoo - bad for them, but that's life).
we saw the same thing over a shorter period with stretched ears - a lot of people did it at the height of its popularity but have since let their piercings close (or resorted to surgery if they were past that point).
tbh, i don't really care if "squares/normies"
get tattoos or weird piercings (or get them removed), but i do kinda welcome the return to "otherness" that it used to confer. i like having tattoos and piercings for their own sake. even though 99% of my tattoos are extremely stupid and i wouldn't get them today, i'm happy to keep them as a reminder of where i was in life when i got them.
ravenstine · 2h ago
> tbh, i don't really care if "squares/normies" get tattoos or weird piercings (or get them removed)
EDIT: I think I misinterpreted your statement, but I'll leave my response anyway just because. I thought you meant "get" in the sense of understanding them.
I appreciate you saying this offhand for some reason, even though I don't think you were trying to give credit to others.
Naturally, I am both liberal and perhaps libertarian in the sense that I think people have a right to get tattoos and I don't have a problem with people having them.
What has long bugged me though are the numerous people who clearly get body modifications in order to attract validation from others. If one isn't in their unspoken club, they become super defensive and accusatory.
For example, as much as I have no interest in getting tattoos, I will compliment people on their tattoos that I appreciate. When inevitably asked in response why I don't have any tattoos, I tell the other person that I simply have no desire for one. When that answer isn't accepted, I sometimes (mistkenly) admit that I don't like them in general. This triggers a lot of tattoo people, even though my choice of words doesn't actually suggest that I hate all tattoos or their tattoos.
On an even more intense level, it's verboten in my society, as a man, to openly state a preference for women without tattoos. I never bring it up unless prompted, yet I often get so much blowback for this. The word "judgmental" always gets slung my way. It's pretty clear that something else is going on here when people get this defensive over something that is fairly trivial.
tuna74 · 1h ago
How do you get people to ask you about your preference for tattooed vs "natural" women?
ravenstine · 1h ago
Some people like to show off their new tattoos and ask my opinion, or I will just compliment someone on a tattoo they have that caught my notice. And sometimes that leads to "You got any tattoos?" or "You ever gonna get a tattoo?"
As far as the woman thing goes, guys have a tendency to talk about women, and sometimes the topic of tattoo'd women comes up. I've been on this planet for nearly 40 years, so while this isn't really a common conversation, I've encountered it enough times to notice recurring themes.
hooverd · 1h ago
Could be that they're understanding your preference as a normative statement. You're probably not the first person to mention how they would look better without tattoos, even if that's not exactly what you meant.
deadbabe · 2h ago
I will wait to get tattoos until the state of the art advances to a point where you can regular change them out without much hassle, and they look just like the real thing.
resource_waste · 2h ago
I find it pretty damning that AI Art will not put tattoos on beautiful people(unless specifically instructed).
I think everyone knew this to be true, but we are polite to people who have tattoos.
On the flip side, there are people who claim 'I don't care what they think'. And this is just an anti-social attitude in disguise of rebellion. It genuinely doesnt matter, people make split second judgements that DO affect you, even if you claim you don't care.
I've been at busy events and decided to talk to a decently dressed person over the person wearing raggy clothing. We notice patterns, often subconsciously.
ausbah · 19m ago
how is it anti-social to not to engage with someone whose overly judging you? seems like a pretty universal response. sure everyone has first level impressions, but I’m not going to put my energy into someone who never outgrew the child level thinking of leading head first into surface level impressions
resource_waste · 9m ago
>I’m not going to put my energy into someone who never outgrew the child level thinking of leading head first into surface level impressions
Less opportunities for you because you are (intentionally) ignorant of human nature.
As mentioned, people make split second judgements. It doesnt matter if you are the top 5 smartest people in the world, people do not have the resources to 'vet' everyone. We look at patterns and realize that people with Face tattoos are less likely to be excellent.
This is textbook idealism. That is the way the world Ought to be. That isnt how the world Is. We are shaped by experiences.
There is something a bit reinforcing on this topic. The people deliberately violating social norms claim they 'don't care'. I imagine the smartest people are aware this stuff does matter, so they don't violate social norms.
roboror · 1h ago
Some people get tattoos or dress in a nonconforming way specifically to filter out people with this line of thinking.
resource_waste · 40m ago
Suppose they 'filter out', and as a result, they don't get a job that they interviewed for. They wanted the job, or they wouldn't have applied.
They don't get approached at a social event, yet they attended to meet people.
They can say as many times "Its a filter", but the filter only hurt them. Not the other way around. Its a 'Grapes are sour anyway" situation.
add-sub-mul-div · 1h ago
I don't have any tattoos but I'd rather be judged for something surface level than for having a belief like "let's all aspire to be the default Stable Diffusion idea of a person."
resource_waste · 31m ago
Silly.
You prefer to be less beautiful and judged negatively on surface level appearances?
Yeah sureeee. I prefer to make less money, have less friends, and have less influence too /s
hooverd · 2h ago
I think tattoos can quite often look nice, so no, not everyone "knew this to be true."
Just say what you believe instead of trying to launder your opinion as generally accepted truth.
resource_waste · 8m ago
Do you have any photos of someone before and after tattoos that make them look more beautiful?
armandososa · 45m ago
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned how these days having a tattoo, no matter which, is a potential one-way ticket to a prison in El Salvador. That's a very good reason to having them removed.
guywithahat · 28m ago
That only applies to non-citizens, like Garcia, and I don't think his MS-13 tattoos were the reason for his removal, he was sent home because he was here illegally and had prior charges (such as beating his wife)
armandososa · 19m ago
Of course it has nothing to do with his tattoos.
guywithahat · 37m ago
I've never gotten tattoos, and it's in part due to the fact nobody I respected growing up had them. People act like they're ubiquitous but tattoos are still a class signifier, and you can still miss out on jobs or other opportunities if an employer sees your tattoo(s).
The first removal 5 years ago would leave me bleeding and require bandage changes for a week.
The new tattoo removal lasers leave you feeling like a sun burn for two days. No blood, no bandages.
It will become way more common.
Now lately I feel like the speed on which trends are born and die, the non-stop over sharing, and that constant itch for "what's next" is really pushing us all to become these kind of formless blobs, scared to show any real "edges." For example:
- Cars all kinda look the same now and are mostly some shade of grey. Same deal with phones and pretty much all tech.
- Buying clothes with bland colors with almost no originality with the expectation that it will probably be in the bin the next season.
- The whole clean girl aesthetic on putting in a ton of effort to look like you put in zero effort.
- And don't get me started on how sad beige parenting is not a joke
You only live once, there's no scoreboard at the end. Just do what you want with your life. More often than you'd probably like to admit, nobody really cares that much anyway.
I didn't change later. I had another artist expand the design about ten years ago. And while it had some meaning when I got the first round, I've realized over time that it means a whole lot more to me as I've learned more about myself.
But when someone asks me what it means, I just shrug it off. I'm not sharing that kind of thing with people.
It also helps that my tattoos are wholly original, i.e. not based on some trend, and that I chose the subject matter specifically because I didn’t think it was possible to hate it later on (a dinosaur and a 4d hypercube). Like, am I ever going to hate dinosaurs? I’ve loved them for 40ish years already.
It hurts a ton. It bleeds a lot
It wasn't intolerable pain, but it's not "not that bad" either
They symbolize a past life to me basically, and that brings meaning and unique introspection to me in a way.
Obviously circumstances may change if the tattoo is offensive.
People who got inked in the 90s tattoo boom are now wearing blurry smudges unless they were careful to minimize the fine detail.
Those large gauge ear plugs didn’t age well AT ALL.
Maybe a Sun logo could be an exception, they're not around anymore, so it feels more like nostalgia or grieving instead of "this company owns me". I wasn't around/aware when Sun was, also, so they feel more like a mythical thing from a story to me than an old company.
Once too many people do something, it's not cool anymore.
Tattooing got immensely popular and a lot of people who shouldn’t not have taken on apprentices took on apprentices. The quality of apprenticeships dropped and artists were getting put on skin way before they were ready. Many artists never learned proper technique or placement.
Styles changed so people were getting their first tattoos in visible places. When he started tattooing, artists wouldn’t do a first tattoo somewhere visible unless the client had a very very good reason. It always took dialogue. Now you can walk into a shop, point to flash and get it out on your neck or hand.
And finally, realism hit tattoos.
So in his opinion. You take a lot of artists who shouldn’t have been putting ink into grapefruits not skin. Put them to them to work on highly visible realistic looking art on people who don’t know enough about tattoo to know whether they’re making a mistake. And you end up with a lot of people staring at visible art that didn’t heal properly, with blown out lines and poor placement.
I didn’t get tattooed until after another good friend had finished his apprenticeship- I’m very glad I waited because I love my art and will slowly keep getting more. But I feel bad for people who fell into that trap of getting an unqualified artist to put bad art on their bodies.
That said, I'm old enough that most of those could be my kids, so I realize I'm an old fart at this point.
I think I'd put "counter culture" rather than lower class.
Now it’s “counter culture” to not have a tattoo. They are so common. They have become a sign of conformity.
38% of women vs 27% of men. The number would be higher for young women.
Fashion goes in cycles and all that.
Tattoos say different things to different people in different times. Right now tattoos are fine in most white collar settings but this won't always be the case.
I think tattoos are cool because it's art where your body is the canvas. Pure human evolution really. I'll be getting more tattoos soon.
It's definitely doable and could be a boost in confidence for some people, like it was for me.
They're pretty great for vacations and events.
Head tattoos are quite cool too. This Youtuber's (https://www.youtube.com/@Gratitude.Driven) tattoos are pure art for example.
Ok, I do like her head tattoos.
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It's a lengthy, expensive, and often painful process. Getting shoddy work covered might be a better deal in some cases.
You just pick something really cool when you're 20, and then you resist turning into a boring person who hates what you used to like when you're 40
It's just having the maturity to realize that you don't have to stop having fun just because you're getting older
It's also important to have the maturity to realize that there is a time and place for embracing your inner child
I have a tattoo of a sword buried in molten rock on my bicep. It was kind of inspired by the bonfire from Dark Souls. I don't tend to go around showing it off at work events or whatever.
I absolutely do not regret it even though it is admittedly kind of a childish tattoo. I think it's cool. I show it off to people that I think will also think it's cool
Now that's your fashion decision for the rest of your life because you thought this is such a cool look, you'll wear it until you die.
That's tattoos.
i see more aging hipsters than ever with sleeves and they seem to keep adding, so i wonder if this is "genre" specific.
The more interesting question is how the percentages changed — although that very likely just tells you something about the quality and availability of tattoo removal services.
we saw the same thing over a shorter period with stretched ears - a lot of people did it at the height of its popularity but have since let their piercings close (or resorted to surgery if they were past that point).
tbh, i don't really care if "squares/normies" get tattoos or weird piercings (or get them removed), but i do kinda welcome the return to "otherness" that it used to confer. i like having tattoos and piercings for their own sake. even though 99% of my tattoos are extremely stupid and i wouldn't get them today, i'm happy to keep them as a reminder of where i was in life when i got them.
EDIT: I think I misinterpreted your statement, but I'll leave my response anyway just because. I thought you meant "get" in the sense of understanding them.
I appreciate you saying this offhand for some reason, even though I don't think you were trying to give credit to others.
Naturally, I am both liberal and perhaps libertarian in the sense that I think people have a right to get tattoos and I don't have a problem with people having them.
What has long bugged me though are the numerous people who clearly get body modifications in order to attract validation from others. If one isn't in their unspoken club, they become super defensive and accusatory.
For example, as much as I have no interest in getting tattoos, I will compliment people on their tattoos that I appreciate. When inevitably asked in response why I don't have any tattoos, I tell the other person that I simply have no desire for one. When that answer isn't accepted, I sometimes (mistkenly) admit that I don't like them in general. This triggers a lot of tattoo people, even though my choice of words doesn't actually suggest that I hate all tattoos or their tattoos.
On an even more intense level, it's verboten in my society, as a man, to openly state a preference for women without tattoos. I never bring it up unless prompted, yet I often get so much blowback for this. The word "judgmental" always gets slung my way. It's pretty clear that something else is going on here when people get this defensive over something that is fairly trivial.
As far as the woman thing goes, guys have a tendency to talk about women, and sometimes the topic of tattoo'd women comes up. I've been on this planet for nearly 40 years, so while this isn't really a common conversation, I've encountered it enough times to notice recurring themes.
I think everyone knew this to be true, but we are polite to people who have tattoos.
On the flip side, there are people who claim 'I don't care what they think'. And this is just an anti-social attitude in disguise of rebellion. It genuinely doesnt matter, people make split second judgements that DO affect you, even if you claim you don't care.
I've been at busy events and decided to talk to a decently dressed person over the person wearing raggy clothing. We notice patterns, often subconsciously.
Less opportunities for you because you are (intentionally) ignorant of human nature.
As mentioned, people make split second judgements. It doesnt matter if you are the top 5 smartest people in the world, people do not have the resources to 'vet' everyone. We look at patterns and realize that people with Face tattoos are less likely to be excellent.
This is textbook idealism. That is the way the world Ought to be. That isnt how the world Is. We are shaped by experiences.
There is something a bit reinforcing on this topic. The people deliberately violating social norms claim they 'don't care'. I imagine the smartest people are aware this stuff does matter, so they don't violate social norms.
They don't get approached at a social event, yet they attended to meet people.
They can say as many times "Its a filter", but the filter only hurt them. Not the other way around. Its a 'Grapes are sour anyway" situation.
You prefer to be less beautiful and judged negatively on surface level appearances?
Yeah sureeee. I prefer to make less money, have less friends, and have less influence too /s
Just say what you believe instead of trying to launder your opinion as generally accepted truth.