I watched the interview and I was honestly shocked at how callous Carlson discussed the suicide case. Imagine being Altman, your friend killed himself, and someone casually brings up the idea that you might have ordered his murder, and then dances around the issue saying it’s not an accusation but still maintains it’s “worth looking into.”
whatwrongwyou · 4h ago
Don't go to any public speaking events
austin-cheney · 4h ago
I used to think of Tucker Carlson, Marjory Taylor Green, and Bernie Sanders as extreme political theater. Their honest transparent, and vocal opinions about Israel have really led me to rethink them and listen to them lately.
motorest · 4h ago
Are you talking about the same Tucker Carlson which is paid off by the Russian regime to spread Russian propaganda?
Or you could read the linked BBC article and form your own opinion. The comment incorrectly conjoins the mention of Tucker Carlson with people who are known to be paid by Russia to push Russian talking points. Tucker Carlson could be pushing Russian opinions but has not been identified as such making the comment above invalid.
motorest · 4h ago
> Or you could read the linked BBC article and form your own opinion.
If you by now aren't aware of the likes of Tucker Carlson being a Russian asset, either you have been living under a rock or you are purposely playing dumb.
Do yourself a favor and spend a couple of minutes googling the topic and you will find a wealth of sources on how the Russian regime has been financing Tucker Carlson and other extremist propaganda agents. Even Canada's prime minister went Publix with the information.
This isn't anything exceptional either. Russia has been for many years financing all kinds of extremist organizations throughout Europe, including bankrolling neonazi/fascist political parties.
mdhb · 4h ago
There is ample evidence to say without any shadow of a doubt that Tucker Carlson is not an honest broker, has never been an honest broker and will never be an honest broker.
He has been caught multiple times holding completely different beliefs in private to what he says in public and is actively in the business of tricking rubes for money.
People who can’t see that are typically associated with having a hard break from reality in most circles.
bn-l · 4m ago
Are you being sarcastic? Genuinely asking
simianwords · 4h ago
Bernard Sanders is against Israel despite being Jewish. It is surprising because he seems to be one of the few people who is not corruptible despite technically having religious and cultural links to Israel.
It comes down to the fact that he is a normie. He sees people dying and he instinctively speaks against it. It is similar with economical and other political talking points.
austin-cheney · 4h ago
Bernie Sanders is Jewish but does not claim to have any such links to Israel.
simianwords · 4h ago
He has religious and cultural links to Israel. He can become a citizen of Israel anytime he wishes. He probably has family there as well.
austin-cheney · 3h ago
He has stated that he has no such links and no association to Israel, whether religious or cultural or familial.
kbrkbr · 4h ago
> Their honest transparent, and vocal opinions
How do you know the opinions are honest? That strikes me as not easily assessable. What does it mean that an opinion is transparent?
austin-cheney · 4h ago
I believe they are honest because they are pushing factual numbers and speaking in reference to eye witness accounts.
kbrkbr · 3h ago
I am skeptical of any numbers from a war zone with a public relations war going on at the same time. This appears to be generally admitted, as witnessed by quotes as the long standing and cross cultural "the first casualty of war is truth." [1]
So I'm curious. How do you know the numbers are factual and they eye witnesses are what they say they are?
Sure, so get foreign journalists in there so that we can all know for sure. Until such time I will retain the personal opinion that Israel is lying about everything.
kbrkbr · 2h ago
But Hamas is not?
dleary · 3h ago
But we know, with absolute certainty, from the Dominion lawsuit subpoenas, that Tucker Carlson was privately telling people that Trump was awful, while publicly saying the opposite.
His private texts include, "We are very, very close to being able to ignore Trump most nights. I truly can't wait.”
And
"I hate him passionately. ... I can't handle much more of this”.
He was sending these texts while publicly repeating the standard Fox News lines about how great Trump is, etc.
How can you ever consider him honest, after this?
austin-cheney · 3h ago
This isn’t that. To consider his, or anyone else’s, honesty I compare what they say to the evidence they present and contrast that against competing claims from other sources.
kbrkbr · 3h ago
So what you mean by "honest" is "they believe the same things as facts like I do, and draw the same conclusions?"
Or put differently: "they have the same world view as I have?"
motorest · 2h ago
> So what you mean by "honest" is "they believe the same things as facts like I do, and draw the same conclusions?"
I think it means "I am a sucker with no critical thinking skills and fell for their propaganda".
The attempts to whitewash and normalize Russian assets such as Tucker Carlson also give pause. It's hard to believe someone can be this gullible, specially after being presented with facts and still doubling down on whitewashing the character.
austin-cheney · 2h ago
By honest I mean their opinions more closely align to the multitude of evidence available. Other opinions upon that same evidence are welcome.
mdhb · 3h ago
Is there something special about you that has you convinced you’re not being tricked? Like do you think you have some exceptionally good bullshit detector? I’m genuinely curious about the mentality here.
What lead you to believe you can take two people like Tucker Carlson and MTG who are PRIMARILY known for spouting bullshit and you can somehow magically decipher the signal from the noise? Is it just the topic of Israel that you agree with them on? What are you actually comparing them against? I’d love to know more about what you’re describing looks like in practice because it sounds very handwavy at the moment and maybe it would be a better discussion with concrete details.
austin-cheney · 3h ago
Because in this case most politicians are performing double speak and failing to directly answer questions about recent Israel conduct. Many of these politicians claiming in private what most of us are seeing in the news. It is refreshing to have at least some politicians step up to the plate and directly speak to the numbers and multitude of evidence.
Likewise consider the opposite. Until recently I really respected Buttigieg, but when asked about Israel he cannot answer the question. He hopelessly looks for a moderate safe way out and it looks really incompetent.
motorest · 2h ago
> Because in this case most politicians are performing double speak and failing to directly answer questions about recent Israel conduct. Many of these politicians claiming in private what most of us are seeing in the news. It is refreshing to have at least some politicians step up to the plate and directly speak to the numbers and multitude of evidence.
Wait a minute, you were already faced with the fact that the likes of Tucker Carlson defend positions in public that they personally criticize and attack in less public settings.
And yet, even after being faced with that information, you still opt to ignore it and whitewash Russian assets such as Tucker Carlson as being this paragon of objectivity?
I'm starting to wonder what you are trying to do with this thread.
mdhb · 2h ago
Not trying to be rude but that answer is in no way related to the questions I was asking.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crrlv7jdnq8o
If you by now aren't aware of the likes of Tucker Carlson being a Russian asset, either you have been living under a rock or you are purposely playing dumb.
Do yourself a favor and spend a couple of minutes googling the topic and you will find a wealth of sources on how the Russian regime has been financing Tucker Carlson and other extremist propaganda agents. Even Canada's prime minister went Publix with the information.
This isn't anything exceptional either. Russia has been for many years financing all kinds of extremist organizations throughout Europe, including bankrolling neonazi/fascist political parties.
He has been caught multiple times holding completely different beliefs in private to what he says in public and is actively in the business of tricking rubes for money.
People who can’t see that are typically associated with having a hard break from reality in most circles.
It comes down to the fact that he is a normie. He sees people dying and he instinctively speaks against it. It is similar with economical and other political talking points.
How do you know the opinions are honest? That strikes me as not easily assessable. What does it mean that an opinion is transparent?
So I'm curious. How do you know the numbers are factual and they eye witnesses are what they say they are?
[1] https://quoteinvestigator.com/2020/04/11/casualty/
His private texts include, "We are very, very close to being able to ignore Trump most nights. I truly can't wait.”
And
"I hate him passionately. ... I can't handle much more of this”.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tucker-carlson-endorses-donald-...
He was sending these texts while publicly repeating the standard Fox News lines about how great Trump is, etc.
How can you ever consider him honest, after this?
Or put differently: "they have the same world view as I have?"
I think it means "I am a sucker with no critical thinking skills and fell for their propaganda".
The attempts to whitewash and normalize Russian assets such as Tucker Carlson also give pause. It's hard to believe someone can be this gullible, specially after being presented with facts and still doubling down on whitewashing the character.
What lead you to believe you can take two people like Tucker Carlson and MTG who are PRIMARILY known for spouting bullshit and you can somehow magically decipher the signal from the noise? Is it just the topic of Israel that you agree with them on? What are you actually comparing them against? I’d love to know more about what you’re describing looks like in practice because it sounds very handwavy at the moment and maybe it would be a better discussion with concrete details.
Likewise consider the opposite. Until recently I really respected Buttigieg, but when asked about Israel he cannot answer the question. He hopelessly looks for a moderate safe way out and it looks really incompetent.
Wait a minute, you were already faced with the fact that the likes of Tucker Carlson defend positions in public that they personally criticize and attack in less public settings.
And yet, even after being faced with that information, you still opt to ignore it and whitewash Russian assets such as Tucker Carlson as being this paragon of objectivity?
I'm starting to wonder what you are trying to do with this thread.