This is a nash equilibrium situation. When only one side largely commits the violence, they gain big political advantages. Eventually, the other side joins in. the result is a bad situation but the amount of violence is what leads to a compromise, the fear of returning to that violence is the new social contract. Eventually, people who remember that cycle die out, and new people repeat
tkzed49 · 2h ago
"And unfortunately, a big part of that is institutional. I mean, what does it say when you commit violent crimes en masse and then the president of the United States pardons you? It basically tells people, “Yeah, you’ve got a free pass the next time.”"
The social contract is that there is some system of law and order which approximates justice and peace. When the party of law and order instead uses it selectively to further their agenda, what are the people to do?
ljsprague · 2h ago
Are they calling January 6th violent crime?
Also: what do they call it when someone who's been arrested 14 times is out on cashless bail and kills someone?
ngetchell · 2h ago
I saw the video live. It was violent with the intent to attack America when it is at its weakest, during the transition of power.
Pardoning those people was a big green light signal to do it again.
littlestymaar · 2h ago
> Are they calling January 6th violent crime?
Until recently, assaulting cops and killing one would have been called a violent crime by pretty much everyone but the fringe revolutionary left but now it's somehow a partisan take…
the_third_wave · 1h ago
The only person killed during the altercation was a (female, unarmed, white) "Trump supporter", she was killed by a (armed, black) police officer. You do know this (I assume) so it does not make sense to keep on repeating the narrative which is part of the polarisation in reply to an article which claims (but fails) to point at the solution to this polarisation.
Those remarks between parenthesis are there to indicate why you may not be aware of these facts or may have relegated them to the category "fake news". The facts don't fit the desired narrative so they are either ignored or labelled "fake".
xtiansimon · 1h ago
> “The only person killed during the altercation…”
Wikipedia lists “deaths” as a result of the insurrection, 4 on the day and 5 afterwards.
littlestymaar · 27m ago
Brian Sicknick was assaulted by Julian Elie Khater and George Pierre Tanios using pepper spray, and he died the day after.
Khater and Tanios were sentenced for assaulting a police officer but Trump pardoned them earlier this year.
Unless you are some kind of anarchist, this definitely counts as a violent crime, even when it doesn't happen while an armed crowd is trying to overthrow Congress.
jleyank · 1h ago
Mobs attacking the seat of government tends to be considered a Bad Thing. So yeah, calling it a criminal act is appropriate. But, as in Shogun, “unless you win”. Then it’s not criminal it’s revolutionary.
> William J. Bernstein, a neurologist and the author of The Delusions of Crowds, a book about the consequences of mass hysteria in history, expects the waves of political violence to eventually stop — but ...
A very good article, though obviously there are a lot of uncertainties.
Though - what does it say about the fields of Psychology and Sociology these days, that Politico picked a neurologist to be their expert?
skeezyboy · 2h ago
can man who studies brain predict future of society? doubtful for obvious reasons. stepping way outside his area of expertise
Rzor · 1h ago
The future of society is no one's area of expertise.
The social contract is that there is some system of law and order which approximates justice and peace. When the party of law and order instead uses it selectively to further their agenda, what are the people to do?
Also: what do they call it when someone who's been arrested 14 times is out on cashless bail and kills someone?
Pardoning those people was a big green light signal to do it again.
Until recently, assaulting cops and killing one would have been called a violent crime by pretty much everyone but the fringe revolutionary left but now it's somehow a partisan take…
Those remarks between parenthesis are there to indicate why you may not be aware of these facts or may have relegated them to the category "fake news". The facts don't fit the desired narrative so they are either ignored or labelled "fake".
Wikipedia lists “deaths” as a result of the insurrection, 4 on the day and 5 afterwards.
Khater and Tanios were sentenced for assaulting a police officer but Trump pardoned them earlier this year.
Unless you are some kind of anarchist, this definitely counts as a violent crime, even when it doesn't happen while an armed crowd is trying to overthrow Congress.
The End of Violence: https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/454978/the-end-of-violence-b...
1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Years_of_Lead_(Italy)
A very good article, though obviously there are a lot of uncertainties.
Though - what does it say about the fields of Psychology and Sociology these days, that Politico picked a neurologist to be their expert?