I wish people would take this more seriously and understand climate science has nothing to do with politics.
klysm · 8h ago
Unfortunately it has everything to do with politics because fixing it requires political action
hedora · 7h ago
Yeah, but if you’re a human that expects to live another 10-20 years, it’s strongly in your self interest to take action.
In that sense, it shouldn’t be political.
klysm · 5h ago
I think people use the word political to mean “partisan issue”
deadfoxygrandpa · 6h ago
if its not solvable via your own individual action then it's political
toomuchtodo · 7h ago
What is the age of the average politician?
georgemcbay · 19m ago
Here in the US where I am, about 60 years old.
But even more worrying than their average age are things like the fact that a not-insignificant number of these people are literally Christian Zionist fanatics whose unwavering support for Israeli-involved conflict is fueled by their insane belief that this conflict will bring about the biblical return of Jesus and the Rapture.
Hard to get someone to care that climate change might make the Earth uninhabitable in a couple of decades when they believe they are helping to usher in the literal End Times in a couple of years.
Trump is an absolute disaster but he's ultimately just predictably transactional and driven by boring old garden variety greed. The shadow he casts now is in some ways obscuring the fact that even when he's gone, a lot of people with a lot of power in the US government are religious fundamentalist lunatics.
fzeroracer · 7h ago
Well, the key thing is that many of them don't expect to live longer than 20 years, which means its strongly in their self interest to instead grab as much power, money and influence NOW no matter the cost.
It's not an understatement to say a lot of the ultra wealthy almost belong to a cult of nihilism either. We've ceded power to people who only care about things in the immediate future and the end result is disasterous.
staticautomatic · 6h ago
Have you read the IPCC working group reports? It’s hard to conclude the direction of most climate research is anything other than political.
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cyanydeez · 7h ago
unfortunately, climate scientists need to model the politics involved in solving the problem.
The easiest way to do that is to create two forces, simulating a zombie apocalypse. One force is the "good" guys who want to maximize the number of survivors and the "bad" guys who want to maximize the amount of resources per survivor.
You can then see how, as the climate change destroys habitats, forcing good guys and bad guys into closer quarters, the tension between resource allocation and survivability naturally creates strife.
Also, the models can't do shit about predicting volcanos, eruptions, ocean burps and a bunch of aperiodic events that can expel methane and CO2 all without billionaires flying their jets around convincing everyone that Technology Jesus will save us.
Anyway, it's a seriously bad position to think that "if only we accepted climate change" that there'd suddenly be an agreement on how to implement "fair" controls on the drivers of change.
imtringued · 2h ago
Future AIs won't go out of control because they are malfunctioning, they'll attack humans because their hands are forced to do so, since that is the best course of action towards increasing the number of survivors.
devwastaken · 4h ago
no amount of “we can fix this!” will magically change humans out of their animal behaviors. at scale, instinct always beats out higher level thought.
Climate change is a species consuming too many resources and causing their environment to not sustain their population.
Humans will survive, underground with the use of basic climate control tech. the earth will cool again, “humans” come back to the surface.
except, humans decided to create artificial materials that are destructive to reproduction. the genome will be so far removed that humans as we know them now wont exist. the fallout universe is an accurate representation.
vivzkestrel · 3h ago
curious question: if suddenly the entire population of the earth went vegan at once, would it cut down emissions by 60%?
In that sense, it shouldn’t be political.
But even more worrying than their average age are things like the fact that a not-insignificant number of these people are literally Christian Zionist fanatics whose unwavering support for Israeli-involved conflict is fueled by their insane belief that this conflict will bring about the biblical return of Jesus and the Rapture.
Hard to get someone to care that climate change might make the Earth uninhabitable in a couple of decades when they believe they are helping to usher in the literal End Times in a couple of years.
Trump is an absolute disaster but he's ultimately just predictably transactional and driven by boring old garden variety greed. The shadow he casts now is in some ways obscuring the fact that even when he's gone, a lot of people with a lot of power in the US government are religious fundamentalist lunatics.
It's not an understatement to say a lot of the ultra wealthy almost belong to a cult of nihilism either. We've ceded power to people who only care about things in the immediate future and the end result is disasterous.
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The easiest way to do that is to create two forces, simulating a zombie apocalypse. One force is the "good" guys who want to maximize the number of survivors and the "bad" guys who want to maximize the amount of resources per survivor.
You can then see how, as the climate change destroys habitats, forcing good guys and bad guys into closer quarters, the tension between resource allocation and survivability naturally creates strife.
Also, the models can't do shit about predicting volcanos, eruptions, ocean burps and a bunch of aperiodic events that can expel methane and CO2 all without billionaires flying their jets around convincing everyone that Technology Jesus will save us.
Anyway, it's a seriously bad position to think that "if only we accepted climate change" that there'd suddenly be an agreement on how to implement "fair" controls on the drivers of change.
Climate change is a species consuming too many resources and causing their environment to not sustain their population.
Humans will survive, underground with the use of basic climate control tech. the earth will cool again, “humans” come back to the surface.
except, humans decided to create artificial materials that are destructive to reproduction. the genome will be so far removed that humans as we know them now wont exist. the fallout universe is an accurate representation.