I live in Seattle and adored playing TLOU2 in my home city. Was a total trip playing set pieces in areas where I used to work downtown.
I could get nitpicky about a few areas that didn’t really make sense (and I’m still not really sure where the Seraphite camp was in act three given geography or what our actual aquarium looks like inside) but given how much I enjoyed the game I didn’t really care.
lenocinor · 3h ago
In theory, the Seraphite island is supposed to be Queen Anne + Magnolia after flooding separates them from the mainland. But you can read lots of internet posts talking about the issues with that, like https://www.reddit.com/r/lastofuspart2/comments/1kzicba/figu... .
shikshake · 3h ago
The Last of Us Part II is an incredible experience, I'm happy there's still a thriving fan community doing stuff like this. I appreciate how detailed this guide is, when I visit Seattle I'll definitely try it out.
rangestransform · 4h ago
A significant amount of the locations in the show are actually in Vancouver, they even used some SkyTrain Mk1 cars for the train zombie fight scene underground
muststopmyths · 4h ago
It's mentioned in the doc that this is for the game, not the show.
glouwbug · 4h ago
Being in Vancouver everyone's made the "It was filmed on East Hastings" line
FYI, I made this tour in case anyone has any questions (or corrections, etc.)
donflamenco · 2h ago
Awesome doc. I've taken some pictures of real life in comparison to the game, but not to the extreme level you have. Any fans of the game who wants to visit Seattle this summer, this is the doc for you!
In Abby Day 1, I'm pretty sure she goes through the Home Depot on 1st Ave and spends some time going through SODO. Not sure where that building with the boat is. That part seems missing from your doc.
Also, you do see the Space Needle pretty closely on the Seraphite island. In real life the Space Needle and the TV station (where the WLF people are strung up) are right next to each other. In the game, not so much.
lenocinor · 1h ago
Thank you! I especially appreciate the detailed feedback.
I definitely thought about putting in Home Depot. The problem is that, according to Begeal's map ( https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/1/viewer?mid=1pcItdmVeC6Rj24... ), which I almost always agree with, Abby's around 5th Ave. and Main St. at that point. I haven't doublechecked that location myself in game recently, but looking at a playthrough, the FOB appears to be almost directly east, and I'm pretty sure that was meant to be Harborview. This roughly tracks with what Begeal shows on their map.
That's pretty far away from Home Depot in SoDo, which is a little ways south of both stadiums, and here in the game you actually seem to be north of the stadiums by this point. Also, as you exit in the game, the garden center seems to be on the northwest corner of the store, not the northeast, and the parking lot seems different too. Given that the game has generic stores all the time that don't exist in real life, I'm inclined to say "not quite close enough" personally. But I should put all this in the document for people to judge on their own, so thank you for prompting me to do that! I'll add it in a minute.
I thought so too re: the Space Needle on Seraphite Island. But I tried to take pictures every time I saw it appear, and I could never get a good shot. (And I really tried!) If you know of a good screenshot online, though, I'll be happy to include it and credit the original source.
EDIT: Oh, and yeah, the Space Needle definitely is not in the right place in the game at least some of the time, which the TV station in the game (and the guide) makes obvious.
donflamenco · 1h ago
Thanks for the insight. I'm glad you thought the Home Depot store and your interpretation makes sense.
I don't have a good save, but starting at the 28:43 mark in this YT video there is some dialog about heading towards the Space Needle. 28:53 shows it looming large.
I think I tried there, and even after brightening / enhancing, I couldn't get much detail. But I'll try it again tonight to be sure. Thanks!
SunlightEdge · 2h ago
The Last of Us Part II is a very marmite game - people either love it or hate it. Personally I didn't like the direction the story went down even if the gameplay and the graphics were amazing I was left cold. However I do respect that the story itself was pretty original and was catering to female/lgtb audiences (that's cool). Just not my thing.
PaulDavisThe1st · 2h ago
You mean that the central romantic relationship was between two women? Or that the main action characters are female?
Does that mean you'd describe 70-90% of other visual storytelling as "catering to male straight audiences" ?
oceansky · 1h ago
I mean, kinda?
skyyler · 2h ago
In what ways was the story catering to female/lgtb audiences? I haven't played it, but I played the first one.
shikshake · 2h ago
It really wasn't, it just had a lesbian protagonist. There are still many prominent sympathetic male characters with agency. Plenty of women enjoy action movies targeted towards men, I always find it confusing when men feel they can't enjoy media with a woman in it.
A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 · 2h ago
Huh? Lara Croft, female Shepherd ( that is how I played it anyway ), Bayonetta all featured female protagonists. The difference between then and current crop and the games were enjoyable to its audience.
I personally disliked 2nd last of us, but that it is because, unlike the first one, it was missing something from the original. I absolutely disliked the 2nd act as the former antagonist despite understanding the need to include their portion of the story in the narrative.
I am lukewarm towards the end message despite it, oddly, aligning with my own personal views. It felt it was preachy.
And that, I think, some find off-putting. It is supposed to be entertainment.
Hell, Wick just released Ballerina that features strong female protagonist and.. people don't hate as much as other forced entries. I have theories as to why, but those, I think, can only derail this thread.
koakuma-chan · 1h ago
I definitely enjoyed Stellar Blade
underlipton · 33m ago
I loved the Uncharted games and have always thought that the first level of TLOU:PI is one of best set-piece intros in gaming history, up there with FFVII's "Bombing Run". If you suspect that this is me buttering you up for a takedown, you'd be correct. I have some major issues with TLOU.
Like a lot of modern zombie media, it eschews the genre's initial thrust towards satire of race/class issues to instead play them straight, presenting a survivalist power fantasy that edges a little too close to colonialist sympathies. The admitted beauty of its settings actually makes this issue worse: players are supposed to admire the despoiled wilderness, cities and towns rendered bucolic via violent depopulation. This is only broken by the continued clashing of human/formerly human fighters and soldiers; there are still too many people.
Finding out that one of PII's subplots was meant to be an allegory of the Israel/Palestine conflict made things click hard, especially remembering how PI's development difficulties (famously, Amy Hennig being forced to lead a push to force Neil Druckmann to change the original plan to make Clickers female-only) dovetailed "grossly" with the eventual story (one where almost every prominent female character is killed brutally on-screen). What was supposed to be a thoughtful exploration of human nature, as literary as it was interactive, turned out to be just another [redacted] [redacted] power fantasy along the lines of Call of Duty. Maybe worse, for the pretense.
dyauspitr · 2h ago
Yeah I generally have zero interest in anything that caters to a female audience. Usually the motivations and outcomes are the exact opposite of what I tend to look forward to in movies/games in that case.
mikestew · 4h ago
EDIT: I can at least read it now w/o the dialog blocking the view.
The doc is getting hammered at the moment, throwing a looped modal dialog. Not sure what the fix is, other than putting it on another host.
lenocinor · 4h ago
Sheesh, that's a bummer. I figured Google Docs would do fine with this, but maybe not. Let me know if it continues to not work, and I'll investigate other ways to host. Open to suggestions!
mikestew · 3h ago
Yeah, I was surprised by that. I can read it now (with a try again/cancel/dismiss banner at the top).
Anyway, good work on the doc; I found it interesting as a Seattle-area resident.
lenocinor · 3h ago
Thank you! That means a lot to me. I've been here in Seattle almost 10 years, but I feel like I still have so much to learn about this city. Making this guide taught me a lot!
buildbot · 2h ago
I’ve lived in Seattle 90% of my life and still finding and learning new stuff! It’s an awesome city (So are Portland and Vancouver BC!).
tomcam · 2h ago
I will get downvoted for this, but note that many of these locations are... a bit rugged. Probably best to avoid this tour at night unless you have a large party and to be careful using your phones.
lenocinor · 2h ago
I mention in the guide that you should do it during the day for best results, so in general I'm with you on that (and the guide backtracks after Macy's to avoid 3rd, on purpose). But I will say that I've been walking all around downtown / ID / Pioneer Square / Belltown for a number of years now, and I've never felt unsafe, though there are plenty of unpleasantries (yelling, drug use, people walking erratically, etc.) I even walked through 12th and Jackson today, and it's not great, but I didn't feel unsafe, either.
stronglikedan · 2h ago
> yelling, drug use, people walking erratically, etc.
People that are not used to that would definitely feel unsafe in that situation.
absurdo · 4h ago
The commercialization and exploitation of this game made it basically unplayable for me. I’m hoping they won’t do the same with Uncharted since I’ve yet to play the last sequel.
I could get nitpicky about a few areas that didn’t really make sense (and I’m still not really sure where the Seraphite camp was in act three given geography or what our actual aquarium looks like inside) but given how much I enjoyed the game I didn’t really care.
In Abby Day 1, I'm pretty sure she goes through the Home Depot on 1st Ave and spends some time going through SODO. Not sure where that building with the boat is. That part seems missing from your doc.
Also, you do see the Space Needle pretty closely on the Seraphite island. In real life the Space Needle and the TV station (where the WLF people are strung up) are right next to each other. In the game, not so much.
I definitely thought about putting in Home Depot. The problem is that, according to Begeal's map ( https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/1/viewer?mid=1pcItdmVeC6Rj24... ), which I almost always agree with, Abby's around 5th Ave. and Main St. at that point. I haven't doublechecked that location myself in game recently, but looking at a playthrough, the FOB appears to be almost directly east, and I'm pretty sure that was meant to be Harborview. This roughly tracks with what Begeal shows on their map.
That's pretty far away from Home Depot in SoDo, which is a little ways south of both stadiums, and here in the game you actually seem to be north of the stadiums by this point. Also, as you exit in the game, the garden center seems to be on the northwest corner of the store, not the northeast, and the parking lot seems different too. Given that the game has generic stores all the time that don't exist in real life, I'm inclined to say "not quite close enough" personally. But I should put all this in the document for people to judge on their own, so thank you for prompting me to do that! I'll add it in a minute.
I thought so too re: the Space Needle on Seraphite Island. But I tried to take pictures every time I saw it appear, and I could never get a good shot. (And I really tried!) If you know of a good screenshot online, though, I'll be happy to include it and credit the original source.
EDIT: Oh, and yeah, the Space Needle definitely is not in the right place in the game at least some of the time, which the TV station in the game (and the guide) makes obvious.
I don't have a good save, but starting at the 28:43 mark in this YT video there is some dialog about heading towards the Space Needle. 28:53 shows it looming large.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htTJFRQxU1U
Does that mean you'd describe 70-90% of other visual storytelling as "catering to male straight audiences" ?
I personally disliked 2nd last of us, but that it is because, unlike the first one, it was missing something from the original. I absolutely disliked the 2nd act as the former antagonist despite understanding the need to include their portion of the story in the narrative.
I am lukewarm towards the end message despite it, oddly, aligning with my own personal views. It felt it was preachy.
And that, I think, some find off-putting. It is supposed to be entertainment.
Hell, Wick just released Ballerina that features strong female protagonist and.. people don't hate as much as other forced entries. I have theories as to why, but those, I think, can only derail this thread.
Like a lot of modern zombie media, it eschews the genre's initial thrust towards satire of race/class issues to instead play them straight, presenting a survivalist power fantasy that edges a little too close to colonialist sympathies. The admitted beauty of its settings actually makes this issue worse: players are supposed to admire the despoiled wilderness, cities and towns rendered bucolic via violent depopulation. This is only broken by the continued clashing of human/formerly human fighters and soldiers; there are still too many people.
Finding out that one of PII's subplots was meant to be an allegory of the Israel/Palestine conflict made things click hard, especially remembering how PI's development difficulties (famously, Amy Hennig being forced to lead a push to force Neil Druckmann to change the original plan to make Clickers female-only) dovetailed "grossly" with the eventual story (one where almost every prominent female character is killed brutally on-screen). What was supposed to be a thoughtful exploration of human nature, as literary as it was interactive, turned out to be just another [redacted] [redacted] power fantasy along the lines of Call of Duty. Maybe worse, for the pretense.
The doc is getting hammered at the moment, throwing a looped modal dialog. Not sure what the fix is, other than putting it on another host.
Anyway, good work on the doc; I found it interesting as a Seattle-area resident.
People that are not used to that would definitely feel unsafe in that situation.
Such a disappointing game. It's basically one long downer, unlike the first (obvs awesome).