I know freedom is a tricky subject in the US. This whole deal with freedom at the border seems like a sticky issue, why should we let border crossings be so unsafe? Is it because I am in a position of power and will probably never be bothered by border patrol?
If someone looks closely enough I am sure there is a reason to make me a criminal, at least at the border.
While maybe a bit of a stretch, writing on his Substack can be considered freelancing, especially if he earned money off it through ads/sponsorships. If this is the case it likely would have violated the freelancing restrictions on his F1 visa while he was a student anyway. That would also be a justification for CBP deportation in the future.
Journalism is free speech but it is also work. If you want journalistic protections, like to protect your sources, then you're doing work. If you're doing work in violation of your student visa, well...
542458 · 7h ago
I don't think the concern is "Could this plausibly be defended in a court of law?". The concern is "Is it healthy for society for the government to be deporting people based on political beliefs?".
spwa4 · 5h ago
This is closer to "refusing entry" than to deporting.
Also the answer is yes. All European countries do various forms of refusing entry due to political beliefs for example. I can't really imagine it's different anywhere else on the planet.
herval · 4h ago
Which countries in Europe deny entry for people who dislike Angela Merkel, exactly?
It’s particularly egregious that this is happening on the country that labels itself as the paragon of free speech…
busterarm · 6h ago
Yes, absolutely I want our government deporting people _at points of border entry_ based on their political beliefs. That shouldn't even be controversial.
If you're into North Korean or Iranian hardliner "Death To America" politics, I sincerely hope that CBP calmly and politely has you gtfo at point of entry and hopefully no later.
Granted, I wouldn't want it to be _these_ political beliefs, but if you're a journalist publicly flying afoul of the political administration of the country you're traveling to, being denied entry is pretty much status quo around the world. It shouldn't be a shock to anyone.
bhouston · 5h ago
> Yes, absolutely I want our government deporting people _at points of border entry_ based on their political beliefs.
Whoa. I think your views are indicative of where this is all heading.
> you're a journalist publicly flying afoul of the political administration of the country you're traveling to, being denied entry is pretty much status quo around the world. It shouldn't be a shock to anyone.
Not in most "Western" nations until just recently. The main exceptions were if you are calling for violence. But I think that the values we previously associated with "Western" nations is not as applicable to the US as evidenced by what is happening. Some political non-violent, non-racist views, are being banned and punished.
busterarm · 4h ago
We have a very long history of denying media at the border. Especially when they try to travel without an I-visa (not saying this blogger would be considered a legitimate journalist or be required to have one).
We also have a long history of having our spies pose as media and get denied entry to other countries for it. If it's a tactic we use, we would expect the same in kind.
CaptainZapp · 5h ago
> I sincerely hope that CBP calmly and politely
Politely?
bhouston · 7h ago
> While maybe a bit of a stretch...
That is an irrelevant hypothetical.
His interview with customers and border patrol is recounted in the article and makes it clear his detention and deportation was about is opinions on Israel-Gaza:
"To Officer Martinez, the pieces were highly concerning. He asked me what I thought about “it all,” meaning the conflict on campus, as well as the conflict between Israel and Hamas. He asked my opinion of Israel, of Hamas, of the student protesters. He asked if I was friends with any Jews. He asked for my views on a one- versus a two-state solution. He asked who was at fault: Israel or Palestine. He asked what Israel should do differently."
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pastage · 7h ago
That does not hold up to a Sniff test IMHO. What is this based on, do you have cases that were judged in this way?
If someone looks closely enough I am sure there is a reason to make me a criminal, at least at the border.
Journalism is free speech but it is also work. If you want journalistic protections, like to protect your sources, then you're doing work. If you're doing work in violation of your student visa, well...
Also the answer is yes. All European countries do various forms of refusing entry due to political beliefs for example. I can't really imagine it's different anywhere else on the planet.
It’s particularly egregious that this is happening on the country that labels itself as the paragon of free speech…
If you're into North Korean or Iranian hardliner "Death To America" politics, I sincerely hope that CBP calmly and politely has you gtfo at point of entry and hopefully no later.
Granted, I wouldn't want it to be _these_ political beliefs, but if you're a journalist publicly flying afoul of the political administration of the country you're traveling to, being denied entry is pretty much status quo around the world. It shouldn't be a shock to anyone.
Whoa. I think your views are indicative of where this is all heading.
> you're a journalist publicly flying afoul of the political administration of the country you're traveling to, being denied entry is pretty much status quo around the world. It shouldn't be a shock to anyone.
Not in most "Western" nations until just recently. The main exceptions were if you are calling for violence. But I think that the values we previously associated with "Western" nations is not as applicable to the US as evidenced by what is happening. Some political non-violent, non-racist views, are being banned and punished.
We also have a long history of having our spies pose as media and get denied entry to other countries for it. If it's a tactic we use, we would expect the same in kind.
Politely?
That is an irrelevant hypothetical.
His interview with customers and border patrol is recounted in the article and makes it clear his detention and deportation was about is opinions on Israel-Gaza:
"To Officer Martinez, the pieces were highly concerning. He asked me what I thought about “it all,” meaning the conflict on campus, as well as the conflict between Israel and Hamas. He asked my opinion of Israel, of Hamas, of the student protesters. He asked if I was friends with any Jews. He asked for my views on a one- versus a two-state solution. He asked who was at fault: Israel or Palestine. He asked what Israel should do differently."
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