Commoditize the compliment at a massive scale? Make everything free and then only the raw natural resources become what makes a country valuable, instead of the output of their knowledge work.
oytis · 6h ago
But that's essentially the bright future drawn by American AI companies.
As on copyright vs no copyright, I agree with the view of Bunny Huang. Chinese laxity with copyright doesn't destroy the advantage of the first mover - it just puts a limit to it. Basically if you want to be on top, you need to keep innovating non-stop, you can't rest on your laurels.
Systems relying on copyright allow companies to alienate engineers' work, that's how Oracle ended up with more lawyers than engineers (even if that's just a meme). Systems where knowledge is distributed freely (including the open source community) gives power to engineers.
chasil · 7h ago
This is in queue, will update with final URL if successful.
Edit: This just jumped from #7 in queue to #2380 in queue. I should have used another service.
Didn't know there was a queue, how does it work? Readers upload the paywalled article? Does that mean uploaders can alter the version of the article we end up seeing?
chasil · 7h ago
I checked archive.ph, and they did not have a copy of this article.
I requested that they make a copy of it. It is currently #11 in queue.
Hopefully, they will be able to copy the whole article.
No, I am not able to alter what it archives.
seydor · 8h ago
... "but economist is not giving away its articles"?
oytis · 8h ago
From the snippet I can read looks like open source is a authoritarian thing
scotty79 · 7h ago
Shouldn't we rather ask why the West is incessantly copyrighting everything?
How many rent seekers and leeching lawyers and advertisers our economy and consumers can suffer?
What's wrong with us?
nobodyandproud · 7h ago
Term limits and age ceilings for Congressional reps would go a long way in solving this problem.
Atlas667 · 7h ago
Copying takes negligible amounts of energy. It is only a matter of time. Copyright is doomed to fail.
seydor · 7h ago
But it s not , it has made a resurgence and piracy is way down. (Except if you re big digital tech, you are allowed to use anything any way you want)
Atlas667 · 7h ago
Its lawyers forcing copyright to stay alive. But it isn't sustainable is what I mean.
A lot of TV is free now (with ads), media is less profitable using their old system.
The future is open, they're just buying time.
Piracy can never end because copyright is fictitious.
See, I could set up a system where I charge you for air by tracking your every breath, but that would be stupid since air is just available. There is a way tho.
Rather, capitalism will most likely look towards changing technology standards and softwares environments to serve their purpose.
Forget about downloading applications and looking at source code, the only way to use mass production computers will be through their neutered means:
- Only approved softwares from approved "markets"/"app stores"
- Settings? "Nah that's for experts"
- Ad blocking? "That's a serious crime"
- Different operating system? "You can't change that"
It's not enshittification its capitalism.
bpt3 · 2h ago
A major distinction is that someone has to actually produce the content you want to consume, unlike air (though we are trying to make clean air more scarce), which is why no one owns air.
How is software, music, or any other easily copied product created and distributed under your system?
ksec · 7h ago
It is about destroying the industry which the West have a stronghold in. Giving it away for free, in the name of Open source also attract a lot of "common interest", those from Europe who want to break free of US, and those from US who wants US to fail, and companies who simply want another company to fail so they could gain competitive advantage. And China is very happy to help.
It has been blatantly obvious for the past 10 plus years yet most still see it as if it is new.
cherryteastain · 7h ago
And this is bad for everyone except US gigacorporations how?
pmezard · 7h ago
It is the US when promoting the industry and « the West » when trying to generate external support.
Substituting « the US » for « the West » on HN clarifies a lot of things.
I would rather we stop talking about the West, it does not mean much anymore.
seydor · 7h ago
What "stronghold"? The science of LLMs is widely known, with everyone adding new small tricks everywhere. The main moat so far has been the availability of compute, and that's a leaky moat because inevitably more companies will find enough compute or make snappier models, or simply take more time to train them.
There is no secret sauce or moat , they ve been saying that for years, and it's still true. Being number 2 in the race is a losing position, so china probably thought they might as well give it away
oytis · 7h ago
What about those who want specifically AI oligopolies to fail?
Atlas667 · 7h ago
Think: How did they target all of those Iranian scientists?
Most likely through their phones. They can just track you if they wanted to. Everybody knows it. This sentiment is part of why the USA will lose the propaganda war.
There is no amount of propaganda the USA can make to remedy this reality.
bpt3 · 4h ago
What on earth are you talking about?
Is your argument that the Chinese will win a propaganda war concerning the surveillance state?
As on copyright vs no copyright, I agree with the view of Bunny Huang. Chinese laxity with copyright doesn't destroy the advantage of the first mover - it just puts a limit to it. Basically if you want to be on top, you need to keep innovating non-stop, you can't rest on your laurels.
Systems relying on copyright allow companies to alienate engineers' work, that's how Oracle ended up with more lawyers than engineers (even if that's just a meme). Systems where knowledge is distributed freely (including the open source community) gives power to engineers.
Edit: This just jumped from #7 in queue to #2380 in queue. I should have used another service.
https://archive.ph/wip/hOIIa
If/when it completes, it should be here:
https://archive.ph/hOIIa
https://gitflic.ru/project/magnolia1234/bpc_uploads (or check X/Nitter)
I requested that they make a copy of it. It is currently #11 in queue.
Hopefully, they will be able to copy the whole article.
No, I am not able to alter what it archives.
How many rent seekers and leeching lawyers and advertisers our economy and consumers can suffer?
What's wrong with us?
The future is open, they're just buying time. Piracy can never end because copyright is fictitious.
See, I could set up a system where I charge you for air by tracking your every breath, but that would be stupid since air is just available. There is a way tho.
Rather, capitalism will most likely look towards changing technology standards and softwares environments to serve their purpose.
Forget about downloading applications and looking at source code, the only way to use mass production computers will be through their neutered means: - Only approved softwares from approved "markets"/"app stores" - Settings? "Nah that's for experts" - Ad blocking? "That's a serious crime" - Different operating system? "You can't change that"
It's not enshittification its capitalism.
How is software, music, or any other easily copied product created and distributed under your system?
It has been blatantly obvious for the past 10 plus years yet most still see it as if it is new.
Substituting « the US » for « the West » on HN clarifies a lot of things.
I would rather we stop talking about the West, it does not mean much anymore.
There is no secret sauce or moat , they ve been saying that for years, and it's still true. Being number 2 in the race is a losing position, so china probably thought they might as well give it away
Most likely through their phones. They can just track you if they wanted to. Everybody knows it. This sentiment is part of why the USA will lose the propaganda war.
There is no amount of propaganda the USA can make to remedy this reality.
Is your argument that the Chinese will win a propaganda war concerning the surveillance state?