Show HN: Pi Co-pilot – Evaluation of AI apps made easy

18 achintms 3 5/22/2025, 12:31:48 PM withpi.ai ↗
Hey HN — 2 months ago we shared our first product with the HN community (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43362535). Despite receiving lots of traffic from HN, we didn’t see any traction or retention. One of our major takeaways was that our product was too complicated. So we’ve spent the last 2 months iterating towards a much more focused product that tries to do just one thing really well. Today, we’d like to share our second launch with HN.

Our original idea was to help software engineers build high-quality LLM applications by integrating their domain knowledge into a scoring system, which could then drive everything from prompt tuning to fine-tuning, RL, and data filtering. But what we quickly learned (with the help of HN – thank you!) is that most people aren’t optimizing as their first, second, or even third step — they’re just trying to ship something reasonable using system prompts and off-the-shelf models.

In looking to build a product that’s useful to a wider audience, we found one piece of the original product that most people _did_ notice and want: the ability to check that the outputs of their AI apps look good. Whether you’re tweaking a prompt, switching models, or just testing a feature, you still need a way to catch regressions and evaluate your changes. Beyond basic correctness, developers also wanted to measure more subtle qualities — like whether a response feels friendly.

So we rebuilt the product around this single use case: helping developers define and apply subjective, nuanced evals to their LLM outputs. We call it Pi Co-pilot.

You can start with any/all of the below:

- a few good/bad examples

- a system prompt, or app description

- an old eval prompt you wrote

The co-pilot helps you turn that into a scoring spec — a set of ~10–20 concrete questions that probe the output against dimensions of quality you care about (e.g. “is it verbose?”, “does it have a professional tone?”, etc). For each question, it selects either:

- a fast encoder-based model (trained for scoring) – Pi scorer. See our original post [1] for more details on why this is a good fit for scoring compared to the “LLM as a judge” pattern.

- or generates Python functions when that makes more sense (word count, regex etc.)

You iterate over examples, tweak questions, adjust scoring behavior, and quickly reach a spec that reflects your actual taste — not some generic benchmark or off-the-shelf metrics. Then you can plug the scoring system into your own workflow: Python, TypeScript, Promptfoo, Langfuse, Spreadsheets, whatever. We provide easy integrations with these systems.

We took inspiration from tools like v0 and Bolt: natural language on the left, structured artifacts on the right. That pattern felt intuitive — explore conversationally, and let the underlying system crystallize it into things you can inspect and use (scoring spec, examples and code). Here is a loom demo of this: https://www.loom.com/share/82c2e7b511854a818e8a1f4eabb1a8c2

We’d appreciate feedback from the community on whether this second iteration of our product feels more useful. We are offering $10 of free credits (about 25M input tokens), so you can try out the Pi co-pilot for your use-cases. No sign-in required to start exploring: https://withpi.ai

Overall stack: Co-pilot next.js and Vercel on GCP. Models: 4o on Azure, fine tuned Llama & ModernBert on GCP. Training: Runpod and SFCompute.

– Achint (co-founder, Pi Labs)

Comments (3)

eterm · 2h ago
I don't normally leave feedback on these posts, so I apologise if I get the tone wrong and this is overly harsh.

1. If you're going to record a demo, invest $100 into a real microphone. The sound quality of the loom demo is really off-putting. It might also be over-compression, but it gives me a headache to listen to this kind of sound.

2. The demo has left me more confused. Rather than going step by step, you take the Blue-peter approach of "Here's one I made earlier" and suddenly you're switching tab to something different. Show me the product in action.

I guess I'm not in the market for this, but it feels like UI-heavy for something that's evaluating agents / infrastructure-as-code. I'd have thought if I was going to not just automat something, but also automate the evaluation of that automation, then I'd want a pipeline / process for that, and not actually scan down the criteria trying to work out which blog-posts are which and how the scores relate.

achint_withpi · 4m ago
Thanks for your feedback on the video. Great point about going step by step, instead of switching mid-stream to a pre-built session :). We have another even simpler version which goes slower, step by step which would have been better for this post? The challenge has been balancing between showcasing the wide feature set with duration.

We have a spreadsheet integration (which I might post as a comment) for the usecase you mentioned. The scorer is quite light weight so easy to integrate it in your existing pipelines instead of building yet another pipeline/framework. The co-pilot is specifically for triangulating the right set of metrics (that are subjective based on your taste), which does require looking at examples a few at a time and make a judgement call. But I agree that once you are done with that you want to quickly transition off of this to either code or other frameworks like sheets, promptfoo etc.

jmoore15 · 2h ago
Hey HN: I'm John, an engineer from Pi Labs. Despite lurking on HN daily for over 10 years, I've never posted, and now feels like a good time to change that :)

I joined Pi 3 months ago after a decade at Google. It was partly the HN community that inspired me to make the switch to a smaller company where I could have more direct impact. Working at a start-up has been quite an adjustment: while the work is extremely rewarding and fun, the pre- product/market fit phase is challenging in ways I've never experienced before in my career.

That's why I asked the team to post here, and am excited to show off this launch to see whether it meets a need that developers have (or learn why if not!)

Just for fun, I spent the last 5 minutes making an evaluation system for Show HN posts, so you can look at a real example if you'd rather not make your own [1]. If you sign in, you can fork and modify it, but you can also go directly to the homepage to try your own hand at it without any sign-in.

[1] https://withpi.ai/project/Xxyhrg2UR8kZHeNmbdV3

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