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Sneakers (1992)
234 bredren 140 5/6/2025, 6:15:13 AM blu-ray.com ↗
I first saw this movie in the mid-90s, and it sparked a mild fascination with how cryptography (specifically, RSA) works, that arguably influenced my career path.
Fun fact: Leonard Adleman (the A in RSA) drafted the words and slides used for the lecture scene: https://molecularscience.usc.edu/sneakers/
1. Relate to a blind student in our school when they could hear things differently than the rest of us.
2. Realize that social engineering is thing and I tried to practice it in high school to gain access to computer rooms where the "fancy" computers were.
3. Realize that a government can steal or in general can be sneaky/secretive.
I can’t help but notice that a number of older and very prominent shows on streaming services are clearly ripped from a video cassette.
For example, the older Simpsons episodes on Disney Plus. Some of the episodes have very prominent dot crawl which is unacceptable for a digital format that you pay for.
I also can’t imagine the film masters were trashed, or that the show was composited to video tape. Were studios really that reckless with their properties?
So many shows very much were composited to analog video tape. I personally worked on edit sessions where multiple film-to-tape transfers were composited to 1" then BetacamSP then digital formats like DigiBeta and everything that followed. I get it is hard to grok for eople without direct experience only ever knowing digital comping with modern software packages without ever hitting tape. But us ol'timers remember the pain
> Were studios really that reckless with their properties?
yes. while it might been done out of malice, but just lack of future thinking. for a studio making the first season of an animated title, they might not have even considered their show would be so successful. also, there's no way that they could have predicted HD=>4K and digital streaming. they are only human and just trying to stay on schedule with barely enough time to meet deadlines. meeting air date deadlines are much more strict than whatever dot release your PM is pushing for in whatever software product you might be working.
I’m not surprised that some shows were never archived at higher quality, though. The entertainment industry has a lot of people who just want to get their job done and go home, just like any other industry. Many classic series were not instant classics, they were shoestring operations trying to get a product out the door on too little budget. Getting anything across the finish line was the objective, not archiving the highest quality for future generations.
I think another reason, in addition to yours, is that the entertainment industry sees their products are disposable, or want them to be disposable. This way they can pull the drain plug from the pool, so they can pump in new content into it. Otherwise, listening same good old songs will inevitably eat into profitability of the new releases, because you can watch/listen for so long in a given time.
BTW, I don't share the same views with "the entertainment industry". You can't get the good old albums from my cold, dead hands.
The first few seasons were meant to be just a segment inside a sketch-based tv show (i.e. some of the most disposable, worst-aging, least-resyndicated material that tv studios will ever produce) and the budget was very small.
Happens more than you'd think (in the past, at least - it's obviously much easier now with digital storage.) Couple of examples I remember off the top of my head:
re: Adrian Maben making a Director's Cut DVD of "Live In Pompeii"[0]
"While searching in the French and English film laboratories for the unused negative we learnt of a disaster. On the initiative of the French Production Company, MHF Productions, the 548 cans of 35mm negative and prints of the rushes had been stored at the Archives du Film du Bois d’Arcy outside Paris. One of the employees, a certain Monsieur Schmidt, "le Conservateur," unfortunately decided that he wanted to make extra storage space on his shelves for more recent films and that the Floyd footage was without interest or value. The 548 cans of negative and the prints of the Pink Floyd unused rushes and outtakes were incinerated."
re: Dr Who missing episodes[1]
"Further erasing of Doctor Who master videotapes by the Engineering Department continued into the 1970s. Eventually, every master videotape of the programme's first 253 episodes (1963–69) was destroyed or wiped. The final 1960s master tapes to be erased were those for the 1968 serial Fury from the Deep, in August 1974."
[0] https://www.brain-damage.co.uk/other-related-interviews/adri...
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_missing_episodes
Some were. Once the film made its money in the theaters it was then put in a vault and forgotten about. The theaters were supposed to return the release prints but sometimes the projectionist would "lose" them. The studio vault those films sat in sometimes catch fire or water leaks in. If the originals are destroyed then hopefully a few release prints are floating around in the hands of theaters, individuals (where those lost prints end up), or television stations. If not, then its gone forever.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Universal_Studios_fire
If they were only careless, one might be relieved that there was no intention of being so destructive. Often though, they're criminally negligent or malevolent. And that was back when things were easy... now days they have to contend with digital materials that need a petabyte array.
The only copy that exists (as far as I know) came from a VHS recording of a TV-channel in the 1980s. But surely the film rolls still exist?
I just watched a video revealing that many multichannel masters of big artists have gone up in flames in a big warehouse fire in 2008 [0] [1], and a comment told that a film company burnt down their silent film archive to get insurance money.
So, I don't bet.
[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9eXk4o35UI
[1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/11/magazine/universal-fire-m...
The first two seasons of Monty Python’s Flying Circus were almost erased because the BBC wanted to reuse the broadcast tapes. [0]
[0] https://www.cracked.com/article_42008_monty-pythons-flying-c...
A couple of scenes:
And another:I had learned from the store owner that you can tell so much from someone's shoes, often more than from their clothes.
Combined with that line in this very formative movie (for me), I still to this day can't help but check someone's shoes when I first meet them.
You can make educated guesses based on apparel of all sorts - but you are always guessing.
Shoes are indeed a valuable source of information about a person. I knew at least one BH case manager who really paid attention to them.
Shoes are expensive, very durable, and typically one of those items that people have only a few pairs of. So while someone can easily change their outfit to match a situation, place, or mood for the day, they may be less likely to change their shoes to match more than a basic purpose.
And shoes tend to accumulate evidence of where someone's been. Are they muddy, dusty, spit-polished?
Personally, I own about five pair of shoes. I have a pair of Oxford dress shoes, a very nice pair of white New Balance with hook-and-loop, some hiking boots I picked up at JC Penney, and a few others. My clothing, on the other hand, is mostly Adidas and Columbia and some tee shirts, but I don't own any Adidas or Columbia shoes. So you can tell a lot about me, no matter what I'm wearing, by studying my shoes for a while.
I met another BH professional who said he owned 52 pairs of Crocs. He said that he'd kicked an addiction habit, but it seems he traded something unhealthy for perhaps a less-detrimental dependence on collecting shoes. To each his own, I suppose, and surely a lot of information could be gleaned about this fellow if you paid attention to which pair of Crocs he'd selected for the day.
Maybe that used to be true, but modern shoes while expensive are not very durable, and most people have several pairs today.
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Uncle-Buck-4K-Blu-ray/342214/...
[0] https://superdeluxeedition.com/news/pink-floyd-at-pompeii-mc...
Those deep bass parts of Echoes are magic, when the camera is panning past the speaker stacks.
Monzo also have you recite something but it's something far less exciting like "My name is X and I bank with Monzo".
https://www.schwab.com/voice-id
COOTYS RAT SEMEN
"No, I don't."
"No. No."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GutJf9umD9c
"Too many secrets"
The comment about the shoes, stick with you ;)
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"Let's make things difficult to see and hear. That makes for better cinema!"
Jackie Chan once discussed action scenes in US movies versus his movies. Western films: cut before the punch lands, maybe cut a few more times. Hong Kong moves: just show the action in one scene.
I think audiences are beginning to appreciate continuous scenes and are becoming more frequent in western films. The most recent one I can think of is John Wick 4, when it goes top down.
Some of the recent Michael Bay movies are so aggressive when it comes to cuts, the average shot length must be 2 or 3 seconds.
2. hey man you can still be clever, you just... also have birds-of-your-feather out there. :D
amnesty scooter
coyote smartens
economy tasters
My brain is weird.
Sadly, the movie really shows it's age when the "cultural attaché" starts lecturing Robert Redford's character that "our countries are friends now". It's hard to suspend disbelief watching it nowadays.
To swing the discussion back to cinematography:
I'm going to avoid spoilers despite it being an older movie since a disturbing amount of folks in the hacker scene have not seen it but the later scene in the tunnel, arm extended was another great cinematic... shot :-)
But it's set in the past, when relations between the countries were much friendlier. Do you have trouble suspending disbelief during fictional movies set in WWII, because the U.S. and Germany are now allies?
Were they?
Sneakers – The Team's Demands [video] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41493927 - Sept 2024 (2 comments)
Sneakers Film Promotional Floppy - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38585213 - Dec 2023 (54 comments)
No-more-secrets: recreate the decryption effect seen in the 1992 movie Sneakers - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36799776 - July 2023 (257 comments)
Happy 30th anniversary to ‘Sneakers,’ a cult classic that was ahead of its time - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32788136 - Sept 2022 (47 comments)
Cracking the Code: Sneakers at 30 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31378418 - May 2022 (76 comments)
Memories of the “Sneakers” Shoot (2012) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29840802 - Jan 2022 (198 comments)
Sneakers: Robert Redford, River Phoenix nerd out in 1992’s prescient caper - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29620095 - Dec 2021 (7 comments)
Sneakers (1992), the Film - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26111977 - Feb 2021 (2 comments)
Tool Recreating the “Decrypting Text” Effect Seen in the Movie “Sneakers” - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11643270 - May 2016 (54 comments)
Sneakers - movie about pen testing, crypto/nsa, espionage, and deception (1992) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6196379 - Aug 2013 (5 comments)
What it was like shooting the movie Sneakers - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4498985 - Sept 2012 (46 comments)
Sneakers (Film, 1992) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1499298 - July 2010 (1 comment)
Joybubbles: the blind phreaker whom Whistler was based off of in Sneakers - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1443241 - June 2010 (1 comment)
This question comes up a lot - here's an answer that goes over it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40564558
This would be helpful especially for those cases where the same story gets covered on multiple places on the internet and so URL matching doesn't help.
"Practice, Practice, Practice" "You...won't know...who to trust" "No more secrets"
The soundtrack is great too.
I know the first Die Hard is 4k, but the others are not.
Maybe what the mathematician did was crack a gigantic outstanding problem in scaling quantum computers that allowed e.g. extraordinarily effective quantum noise reduction at scale.
It needs to make extra money or lose money in order to affect change.
We’re going to have to disagree about DVDs though. They look awful on modern (big) televisions.
Are pressed Blu-Rays limited compared to writeable ones?
I have 100GB BDXL blanks (single-sided) I use as one of the archives for my family photos/videos.
Couldn't a film BluRay also be 100GB on a single side?
Very out of date list: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=294596
On a site that I am a member of there are nearly 1300 BD100 rips available.
... particularly sadly, at Earl Jones' passing.-
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41493927
Greatest movie :)
PS. The quote on "goowill not being something the government does" reads so poignant now ...
(There's a whole James Earl Jones "pluriverse" out there, ain't it? ...)
It beautifully captures the golden age.
https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/1/UK00...
If you haven't seen it I think it is worth a try. Great cast, from that exciting age of computers when everything felt like it was just on the edge of possible.
Even for folks not of that time, the cast and script are so good it's worth a watch.
I think that's the reason I don't have the affinity for this movie that many do - it created incorrect stereotypes which still persist today.
Stereotyping isn't inherently bad, it's just lazy. That having been said, I think Sneakers gets them all correct.