We will look back at this moment in our history and wonder how we let it happen.
internet_points · 53m ago
What can we do, in addition to what we're already doing? For example, in Norway, the recently elected leading coalition is (mostly) very vocal about ending the genocide. And the sovereign oil fund just divested out of quite a lot of the genocide-profiteers (including Caterpillar, who sell displacement-as-a-service, leading to threats of more tariffs from the US). And there are flotillas of activists trying again and again to sail with aid towards the Gaza strip, getting themselves attacked by drones (even in Tunisian waters, long before reaching Gaza). We donate to savethechildren etc. but most of the aid isn't even allowed in. This is not a case of "we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas". The enemies of humanity, decency and righteousness are just so overwhelmingly strong.
crinkly · 44m ago
Speaking from a European perspective, based on what we're doing with the other conflicts going on that aren't on our borders directly, fuck all. Iran has a larger marketing budget than Darfur.
aussieguy1234 · 4m ago
Israel really doesn't like being exposed like this.
They'll claim it's a Hamas camera, then bomb it, probably killing some of the people nearby it.
karel-3d · 1h ago
Where do they got internet connectivity?
I know there is Paltel in West Bank; but I don't know if they are still operating in Gaza.
FirmwareBurner · 1h ago
Starlink?
karel-3d · 1h ago
Isn't that too slow for live feed? The live feed looks very good quality, and they look like they are sitting in a truck now, so I doubt they can cary starlink antenna
hn-user-42 · 1h ago
As I understand live streaming, you can live stream from Mars with 20 minutes delay. Live stream is not same as 2 way communication like Google Meet.
Starship live streaming is made possible by Starlink. Starlink latency is not bad but it's not suitable for online gaming.
crinkly · 1h ago
Jawwal who are owned by Paltel.
throw9032Xx · 1h ago
It is not safe to flee south of Gaza, there is no infrastructure there to support millions of refugees! Refugees should go to Israel, it is much better equip to host refugees from this conflict!
NO BORDERS!!
crinkly · 1h ago
Yeah that's not going to happen. Every single surrounding country has a bad history with Palestinians citizens. No Arab nation is interested. They just say enough to keep their own population from kicking off another Arab Spring while hoping Israel will make their problem go away.
The only thing that is consistent is that it's a hypocritical shit show out there.
sirfz · 44m ago
Please keep your bigotry out of HN. Palestinian refugees in Gaza must be allowed to return to their homelands inside occupied Palestine and Gazans obviously should be allowed to stay in Gaza.
asim · 1h ago
It is officially declared a genocide by the UN commission.
The UN is just a glorified board room for countries to discuss things, it has no executive powers over its permanent security council members and their allies.
Basically, the UN can declare whatever they want, but there's nothing stopping the likes of US and Russia to ignore it and do the opposite of that.
It's the League of Nations all over again. Nothing has been learned.
crinkly · 1h ago
It also spent the last few years making the problems out there worse. They are themselves complicit in this outcome.
There are no winners in this conflict on either side.
FirmwareBurner · 1h ago
>There are no winners in this conflict on either side.
What is crazy is that, even a denouncement, is coming way too late. Now some countries are, very slowly, starting to talk about what this is: a genocide. It's horrible that it's so slow, and there is so much support or inaction towards the state of Israel.
oulipo2 · 1h ago
Still, IT IS A GENOCIDE.
FirmwareBurner · 1h ago
US's & Germany's greatest ally.
throw9032Xx · 1h ago
Current US president wants to build golf resorts with golden statues of himself!
If anything, US citizens who emigrated to Israel, have great share of responsibility!
FirmwareBurner · 1h ago
>If anything, US citizens who emigrated to Israel, have great share of responsibility!
When forced displacement is paired with food/starvation as a weapon it becomes a genocide. The recent senate report just carefully labels it as a deliberate ethnic cleansing.
The real genocide is the barbaric acts of Hamas in 7th of October. They could have released the hostages and this operation wouldn't happen. We're not going to tolerate Hamas any longer, we're not going to allow for a second 7th of October. We couldn't care less what the world has to say, this is life and death situation for Israel.
If you had such a threat to murder you and rape your daughters and kidnap you, you wouldn't stay idle. If your kid was kidnapped and held in starvation you wouldn't rest until he's returned.
The world is hypocritical and simply hates Jews.
ben_w · 27m ago
I say this because I do care about you and your continued existence.
When the October attack happened, much of the west outpoured grief and empathy for Israel.
I knew then what was coming, because I have seen it before, just over two decades ago: that attack hurt Israel more, proportionally, than 9/11 hurt the USA. You, personally, are burning with pain and anger today, it is natural and human if you don't even want to hear a single word that would humanise the Other.
And yet, you are wrong: this is not, and never was, an existential threat to Israel, and that's why Europe is doing things to hold Israel back in Palestine while still supporting Israel against Iran.
To be human is to strike out in anger and vengeance and also look back in shame a generation later when your kids show you today's newspapers and say "you knew". I know why it feels existential, history is replete with examples, but Israel is simply much stronger than Hamas ever was, even with the external support that Hamas gets that in turn makes it entirely justifiable for Israel to totally blockade Palestine (or would, if enough food was getting through).
It took the USA more than a decade to get out of their own way with 9/11, it would be unreasonable to see Israel's national psyche do so any faster.
Just as with the Taliban in the USA, all of Hamas are to the nation of Israel as a few angry wasps are to a picnic: when they sting, they hurt, and you may come up in welts, but it would take hundreds or thousands of them to meaningfully injure their target.
Europe doesn't want Israel to become the same monsters that killed so many millions just on the edge of living memory. Well, most of us don't, at least; it was a sad and slow realisation that plenty of people who give no shits about the Palestinians will still cry crocodile tears for them if it means hurting Israel.
Unfortunately for Israel, some of the latter group are gaining power in the USA, and if the USA becomes Israel's last ally… well, that has potential to become genuinely existential.
crinkly · 50m ago
I’m looking at the long game and it’s arguably worse than that as well. Are Hamas going to down weapons if they win and magically create some progressive society as promoted on TikTok?
Nope! Jordan, Lebanon and Egypt next. And they'll use your weapons to do it.
They'll claim it's a Hamas camera, then bomb it, probably killing some of the people nearby it.
I know there is Paltel in West Bank; but I don't know if they are still operating in Gaza.
Starship live streaming is made possible by Starlink. Starlink latency is not bad but it's not suitable for online gaming.
NO BORDERS!!
The only thing that is consistent is that it's a hypocritical shit show out there.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8641wv0n4go
Basically, the UN can declare whatever they want, but there's nothing stopping the likes of US and Russia to ignore it and do the opposite of that.
It's the League of Nations all over again. Nothing has been learned.
There are no winners in this conflict on either side.
There is ONE winner here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel
What is crazy is that, even a denouncement, is coming way too late. Now some countries are, very slowly, starting to talk about what this is: a genocide. It's horrible that it's so slow, and there is so much support or inaction towards the state of Israel.
If anything, US citizens who emigrated to Israel, have great share of responsibility!
What about AIPAC members?
When forced displacement is paired with food/starvation as a weapon it becomes a genocide. The recent senate report just carefully labels it as a deliberate ethnic cleansing.
https://www.vanhollen.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/van_hollen_me...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/16/israel-committ...
There is no other word
If you had such a threat to murder you and rape your daughters and kidnap you, you wouldn't stay idle. If your kid was kidnapped and held in starvation you wouldn't rest until he's returned.
The world is hypocritical and simply hates Jews.
When the October attack happened, much of the west outpoured grief and empathy for Israel.
I knew then what was coming, because I have seen it before, just over two decades ago: that attack hurt Israel more, proportionally, than 9/11 hurt the USA. You, personally, are burning with pain and anger today, it is natural and human if you don't even want to hear a single word that would humanise the Other.
And yet, you are wrong: this is not, and never was, an existential threat to Israel, and that's why Europe is doing things to hold Israel back in Palestine while still supporting Israel against Iran.
To be human is to strike out in anger and vengeance and also look back in shame a generation later when your kids show you today's newspapers and say "you knew". I know why it feels existential, history is replete with examples, but Israel is simply much stronger than Hamas ever was, even with the external support that Hamas gets that in turn makes it entirely justifiable for Israel to totally blockade Palestine (or would, if enough food was getting through).
It took the USA more than a decade to get out of their own way with 9/11, it would be unreasonable to see Israel's national psyche do so any faster.
Just as with the Taliban in the USA, all of Hamas are to the nation of Israel as a few angry wasps are to a picnic: when they sting, they hurt, and you may come up in welts, but it would take hundreds or thousands of them to meaningfully injure their target.
Europe doesn't want Israel to become the same monsters that killed so many millions just on the edge of living memory. Well, most of us don't, at least; it was a sad and slow realisation that plenty of people who give no shits about the Palestinians will still cry crocodile tears for them if it means hurting Israel.
Unfortunately for Israel, some of the latter group are gaining power in the USA, and if the USA becomes Israel's last ally… well, that has potential to become genuinely existential.
Nope! Jordan, Lebanon and Egypt next. And they'll use your weapons to do it.