I think the fact that an elderly and highly opinionated jazz critic - whose usual output is Luddite-tinged moaning about the music business - has turned to clickbaity headlines about AI tells you need to know about bubbles.
mgh2 · 8h ago
The author points a discrepancy worth analyzing: the disconnect between consumer spending indicators and big tech funding - either this will result in a monopoly or a bust.
There doesn't seem much bursting yet. NVDA is still up ~60% on a year ago and not far off its peak.
Havoc · 11h ago
The AI aspect of this worries me far less than the financial. The world can continue without a chat bot. It can’t if the financial system collapses
And an alarmingly large number of things in financial world are starting to look shaky. I he A.I. bubble might tip it over
jijijijij · 9h ago
Apart from need, have newly build data centers at scale bought their GPUs for a reasonable price, or did they pay FOMO money? Because from what I can see on the consumer side, crypto and AI pushed GPU prices into funny realms.
I imagine, if the AI opulencia actually massively over-payed for their toys, there is probably no recovering. In time, before the tech becomes obsolete, I see no application on the horizon, except for the one thing even worse than AI: crypto. So, a push for crypto, fitted to these GPUs, may be the signal to brace for impact. The music stops, billionaires eat the last chair, and all we get is tough love and a new aesthetic:
Hypepunk, the dawn of Silicon Gothic.
mgh2 · 8h ago
I bet the next thing big tech is gonna sell us (after a bust) is quantum computing
austin-cheney · 12h ago
> How can you tell if a tech bubble is about to burst?
A bubble bursts when debt obligations exceed the ability to maintain that debt for multiple parties simultaneously, which results in a collapsing debt spiral.
It is challenging to tell when the collapse is close and even once it has started. Because it is challenging to predict the moment of burst the best course of action is to limit exposure by transferring the high risk obligations to someone else before everyone else rushes to do the same.
runlaszlorun · 10h ago
> A bubble bursts when debt obligations exceed the ability to maintain that debt for multiple parties simultaneously, which results in a collapsing debt spiral.
Is this true? Not challenging this but hadn't heard bubbles tied to debt instead of market prices on equity or similar valuations.
austin-cheney · 9h ago
It’s more about debt than market prices. You can always shift to accommodate inflation by raising prices or shrinking your product as necessary to maintain your margin. Debt is different because it’s an obligation you don’t control.
The more debt you carry the more leveraged you become, which is exposure to risk. Another way to think of that is brittleness, which is subject to breaking. Investments are forms of debt, money locked into a financial vehicle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Mac_Index
And an alarmingly large number of things in financial world are starting to look shaky. I he A.I. bubble might tip it over
I imagine, if the AI opulencia actually massively over-payed for their toys, there is probably no recovering. In time, before the tech becomes obsolete, I see no application on the horizon, except for the one thing even worse than AI: crypto. So, a push for crypto, fitted to these GPUs, may be the signal to brace for impact. The music stops, billionaires eat the last chair, and all we get is tough love and a new aesthetic:
Hypepunk, the dawn of Silicon Gothic.
A bubble bursts when debt obligations exceed the ability to maintain that debt for multiple parties simultaneously, which results in a collapsing debt spiral.
It is challenging to tell when the collapse is close and even once it has started. Because it is challenging to predict the moment of burst the best course of action is to limit exposure by transferring the high risk obligations to someone else before everyone else rushes to do the same.
Is this true? Not challenging this but hadn't heard bubbles tied to debt instead of market prices on equity or similar valuations.
The more debt you carry the more leveraged you become, which is exposure to risk. Another way to think of that is brittleness, which is subject to breaking. Investments are forms of debt, money locked into a financial vehicle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headline...