> ICE agents “don’t deserve to be hunted online by activists using AI,” said Sen. James Lankford (R-Okla.)
How can I assist if I believe they do deserve to be hunted online? It improves my mental health to use the tools of the surveillance state against its agents.
banku_brougham · 1h ago
I agree. We used to dislike the idea of secret police in this country, next will be secret court proceedings.
Need to nip this in the bud.
likeclockwork · 1h ago
Should there be secret police in the first place?
dlachausse · 1h ago
They wear masks because there are unhinged individuals who are ambushing them, swatting their houses, and threatening their family members.
goda90 · 1h ago
Maybe this should make us question why ICE would even need to operate the way they do. Why raids and detention even for people with no history of violent crimes? Why does detention involve so much cruelty? Why is it so easy for legal residents, visa holders, and even citizens to get detained? Why is there a pattern of racial profiling in ICE's actions? Maybe if we can come up with something better then there'd be fewer angry people to threaten them.
bigmattystyles · 1h ago
Then at least wear a badge / uniform with a daily assigned number velcroed on front and back. And let this be unmarked by a court order if warranted.
danudey · 53m ago
Really? Because they were wearing masks from the start, long before the pushback started.
The reality is that they're wearing masks so that they can act with impunity; they behave as though they're above the law because they know that the people they're working for will never try to hold them accountable, and as long as they're anonymous the public can't hold them accountable either. This means they can do whatever they want to whoever they want and nothing will come of it, so if they want to harass and assault minorities they can do so freely.
stonogo · 1h ago
They've made that claim, but nobody's provided any evidence.
dlachausse · 41m ago
> Ten people have been arrested so far in a “planned ambush” of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers in north Texas.
> On July 4, the Alvarado Police Department announced that one of its police officers had been shot in the neck after responding to a call without stating the incident occurred outside of an immigration facility. It was the first of two officer involved shootings outside of a federal immigration facility in Texas this week, The Center Square first reported.
> What occurred was “a planned ambush with the intent to kill ICE corrections officers,” Larson said. “Make no mistake, this was not a so-called peaceful protest. It was indeed an ambush” to draw out people from inside “and it worked.”
What purpose is unmasking them supposed to serve if not that?
goda90 · 1h ago
Accountability. Law enforcement officers should fear legal consequences for any illegal and excessive actions done while on duty. If the public can't identify them, and their co-workers don't feel an incentive to turn them in, then how will they face consequences? If they don't face consequences, what will incentivize them to follow the law and act with restraint?
jacquesm · 1h ago
To get their identity down so they can be prosecuted if and when the time comes.
cosmicgadget · 1h ago
You're commenting on the internet and don't understand the difference in behavior when anonymity is involved?
Ms-J · 1h ago
There is nothing ICE can do but lay down their uniform and run. They might be forgiven then.
jacquesm · 1h ago
I don't think that should be enough.
What is really amazing is that even knowing - as a species - all of our history we manage to commit the same faults over and over again.
There are always going to be people waiting in the wings that can't wait to become the next installment of campguards, gas chamber operators and gestapo. It is unbelievable to me, and have a hard time coming to terms with it because we should be better than this by now. But no, we'll just bang our heads against the rock one more time see if the outcome is different this time around. It's collective insanity on a massive scale.
m_fayer · 1h ago
It’s simply that our collective memory fades over a few generations, becomes a ramble of dry facts of little consequence that most people don’t know or care about. Israel had built itself as a veritable temple of memory culture, and even that hasn’t lasted all that long.
How this trait mixes with 20th and 21st century technology and its weapons? It seems quite dark to me. We’ve dodged a few bullets but I’m not at all convinced we’ll stop firing or keep successfully dodging.
jacquesm · 1h ago
It is so frustrating though. It's like watching a train wreck in slow motion and there isn't a thing you can do about it.
m_fayer · 59m ago
I feel you. Just like last time eventually many decent people will resist in various ways despite having little hope, because that’s what you do. I hope we don’t get there, I like my life.
like_any_other · 1h ago
> campguards, gas chamber operators and gestapo
Right, it's either open borders or gas chambers, no in-between. Meanwhile most countries manage to enforce their borders without committing genocide, and most Slavic countries even split apart into ethnic enclaves (called "fall of the Soviet union", "Balkanization", and the Czech-Slovak split), and now manage to coexist peacefully, save for those trying to reverse those splits (i.e. Russia).
jacquesm · 14m ago
You already have concentration camps and razzias, did you think the Nazi's started with gas chambers?
> Meanwhile most countries manage to enforce their borders without committing genocide
And without concentration camps. And without Razzia's. The US apparently can not.
> and most Slavic countries even split apart into ethnic enclaves (called "fall of the Soviet union", "Balkanization", and the Czech-Slovak split), and now manage to coexist peacefully
"now" is doing a lot of work in that sentence.
> save for those trying to reverse those splits (i.e. Russia).
And factions in Hungary. And Slovakia. And Germany. This isn't over, not by long shot.
like_any_other · 10m ago
> "now" is doing a lot of work in that sentence.
Yeah somehow different ethnic groups forced to share countries didn't make everyone like each other, so some of the splits were messy. You wanna know what it looks like when they don't split? It looks like the Holodomor.
So clearly the answer is even less borders.
jeffbee · 1h ago
Imagine believing they have a uniform.
Ms-J · 1h ago
It's a a full face mask and to cover every part of their exposed skin. To avoid being identified for their crimes against society.
jeffbee · 1h ago
The amazon delivery guy in my neighborhood also wears a shiesty for reasons nobody understands, and I don't think he's with the agency.
jmclnx · 1h ago
Now this is the first useful use of AI I have seen :)
like_any_other · 1h ago
More and more it seems that a country is fundamentally not allowed to say "no" to immigration. Even the ~1 million/year for the last 25 years [1] that the US has admitted legally is deemed too restrictive, so those who try to enforce immigration law are attacked. No position short of "America belongs to everyone" is permitted, no matter what voters says.
I wonder if experts will emerge to call this inciting "stochastic terrorism" [2]. I won't be holding my breath.
Saying "no" to immigration is one thing; masked unidentified thugs surrounding a student with a legal visa in the streets and throwing her into an unmarked van to deport her with no warning isn't anti-immigration, it's a violation of civil rights.
Shipping someone to a concentration camp in El Salvador despite the fact that a federal judge ordered that they not be sent to El Salvador, insisting without evidence that they were a member of a gang, saying anyone who wants them to be able to defend themselves in court is pro-gang-violence, and then insisting that there's nothing you can do to get them back so everyone should stop complaining and move in... that's some fascist secret police shit.
m_fayer · 1h ago
Desiring less immigration is legit. I’m sorry that was screamed down by unreasonable people.
Corrupting our democracy to get your way is not legit even if you were unfairly screamed down. The corruption will be fought tooth and nail.
banku_brougham · 1h ago
This is not enforcement, it is a spree of extrajudicial kidnappings without orders from the court. This puts us back so far even the Magna Carta is futuristic.
hallole · 1h ago
I think it's an understandable overshoot to confront what some might see as a long-standing, festering problem. This isn't an endorsement, but the frantic attitude makes sense: rush and get the job done, there's only one 4-year-term in which to do it.
cosmicgadget · 1h ago
If it's amazing people will demand that it continue.
ben_w · 51m ago
IIRC, Biden's administration claimed 10-11 million undocumented migrants. Given where they are belived to be working, in food supply, removing them within a term of office (irregardless of questions about accuracy or due process) is likely to cause food shortage within the USA.
I'm on a different continent, so this metaphorical frag grenade exploding in the USA's metaphorical tent isn't my problem. But it should slow down the people desperate to make it a fix-in-one-term thing.
hallole · 33m ago
Agree completely. The parties here really couldn't be farther from consensus, so the sloppy, frantic policy decisions will probably continue. My knowledge of political history doesn't go far back, but it feels like a new thing for every presidential term to start off with a wave of retractions of the last guy's decisions.
jeffbee · 1h ago
Sure, first you hallucinate a problem that doesn't exist, then you shred the Constitution "solving" the imaginary problem. Literally the Hitler gambit.
hallole · 41m ago
Illegal immigration is far from an imaginary problem. Any immigration at all will affect the availability of homes, of jobs, of healthcare... So, it ought to be monitored and controlled. This is becoming more relevant as home prices rise and the job market stays sucking.
I don't even think ripping the Constitution up would render the problem "solved." It would really help relieve the panic if the parties could at least agree that the issue does exist; until then, any government plan can expect to be overturned in four years time.
To clarify: not defending literally A.H., I think that's a mischaracterization.
cosmicgadget · 44m ago
As I understand it, some of the arrests are following administrative warrants. Others are "broken window" policing.
jeffbee · 1h ago
The "process" in the phrase "due process" is there to ensure that the cops have the right guy, that they actually did something, and that their removal from one place to another is the appropriate remedy.
jacquesm · 1h ago
Such details used to matter. It was a more civilized time.
cosmicgadget · 56m ago
> being anti-immigration is not allowed anymore
> current party in power 11xed the ICE budget, built Alligator Alcatraz, and has deals with foreign governments to deport people straight to prison
I'm not sure I can square your victimhood with reality.
How can I assist if I believe they do deserve to be hunted online? It improves my mental health to use the tools of the surveillance state against its agents.
Need to nip this in the bud.
The reality is that they're wearing masks so that they can act with impunity; they behave as though they're above the law because they know that the people they're working for will never try to hold them accountable, and as long as they're anonymous the public can't hold them accountable either. This means they can do whatever they want to whoever they want and nothing will come of it, so if they want to harass and assault minorities they can do so freely.
> On July 4, the Alvarado Police Department announced that one of its police officers had been shot in the neck after responding to a call without stating the incident occurred outside of an immigration facility. It was the first of two officer involved shootings outside of a federal immigration facility in Texas this week, The Center Square first reported.
> What occurred was “a planned ambush with the intent to kill ICE corrections officers,” Larson said. “Make no mistake, this was not a so-called peaceful protest. It was indeed an ambush” to draw out people from inside “and it worked.”
https://www.thecentersquare.com/texas/article_a0a1ea2f-c61f-...
What is really amazing is that even knowing - as a species - all of our history we manage to commit the same faults over and over again.
There are always going to be people waiting in the wings that can't wait to become the next installment of campguards, gas chamber operators and gestapo. It is unbelievable to me, and have a hard time coming to terms with it because we should be better than this by now. But no, we'll just bang our heads against the rock one more time see if the outcome is different this time around. It's collective insanity on a massive scale.
How this trait mixes with 20th and 21st century technology and its weapons? It seems quite dark to me. We’ve dodged a few bullets but I’m not at all convinced we’ll stop firing or keep successfully dodging.
Right, it's either open borders or gas chambers, no in-between. Meanwhile most countries manage to enforce their borders without committing genocide, and most Slavic countries even split apart into ethnic enclaves (called "fall of the Soviet union", "Balkanization", and the Czech-Slovak split), and now manage to coexist peacefully, save for those trying to reverse those splits (i.e. Russia).
> Meanwhile most countries manage to enforce their borders without committing genocide
And without concentration camps. And without Razzia's. The US apparently can not.
> and most Slavic countries even split apart into ethnic enclaves (called "fall of the Soviet union", "Balkanization", and the Czech-Slovak split), and now manage to coexist peacefully
"now" is doing a lot of work in that sentence.
> save for those trying to reverse those splits (i.e. Russia).
And factions in Hungary. And Slovakia. And Germany. This isn't over, not by long shot.
Yeah somehow different ethnic groups forced to share countries didn't make everyone like each other, so some of the splits were messy. You wanna know what it looks like when they don't split? It looks like the Holodomor.
So clearly the answer is even less borders.
I wonder if experts will emerge to call this inciting "stochastic terrorism" [2]. I won't be holding my breath.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_immigration_stat...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stochastic_terrorism
Shipping someone to a concentration camp in El Salvador despite the fact that a federal judge ordered that they not be sent to El Salvador, insisting without evidence that they were a member of a gang, saying anyone who wants them to be able to defend themselves in court is pro-gang-violence, and then insisting that there's nothing you can do to get them back so everyone should stop complaining and move in... that's some fascist secret police shit.
Corrupting our democracy to get your way is not legit even if you were unfairly screamed down. The corruption will be fought tooth and nail.
I'm on a different continent, so this metaphorical frag grenade exploding in the USA's metaphorical tent isn't my problem. But it should slow down the people desperate to make it a fix-in-one-term thing.
I don't even think ripping the Constitution up would render the problem "solved." It would really help relieve the panic if the parties could at least agree that the issue does exist; until then, any government plan can expect to be overturned in four years time.
To clarify: not defending literally A.H., I think that's a mischaracterization.
> current party in power 11xed the ICE budget, built Alligator Alcatraz, and has deals with foreign governments to deport people straight to prison
I'm not sure I can square your victimhood with reality.