On the one hand, it's good that we're seeing a lot of exploration in this space.
On the other, the trend seems to be everyone developing a million disparate tools that largely replicate the same functionality with the primary variation being greater-or-lesser lock-in to a particular set of services.
This is about the third tool this week I've taken a quick look at and thought "I don't see what this offers me that I don't already have with Roo, except only using Claude."
We're going to have to hit a collapse and consolidation cycle eventually, here. There's absolutely room for multiple options to thrive, but most of what I've seen lately has been "reimplement more or less the same thing in a slightly different wrapper."
mccoyb · 15s ago
There's few new ideas in this space, it's pretty boring.
How many ways can you wrap (worktrees, file manager, diff viewer, accept reject loops, preset specifications for agents) -- let's try Electron! Let's try Tauri! Let's try a different TUI!
What if we sat down and really thought about how these agentic IDEs should feel first instead of copy pasting to acquire market and mind share?
That's how these agentic front ends should be advertised: "Claude Code, plus _our special feature_" and then one can immediately see if the software is filled or devoid of interesting ideas.
raincole · 1h ago
> the trend seems to be everyone developing a million disparate tools
Which is super cool. Like during the dawn of web 2.0 we had lots of aggregators and forums instead of "Reddit and others."
(I'm not saying it's good UX.)
commandar · 48m ago
To be clear: having a diversity of tools is a good thing! I like having options.
My complaint is more that right now it feels like everybody is rushing to fill the exact same space with the exact same feature sets.
It's resulting in a lot of superficial diversity that's functionally homogenous. I want to see more applications that are pushing the capabilities of current AI tooling in creative directions.
latexr · 17m ago
> Like during the dawn of web 2.0 we had lots of aggregators and forums instead of "Reddit and others."
So, in other words, this is the exact opposite? “Lost of aggregators and forums” meant diversity. Lots of small players doing their own thing. What we have now is a handful of big players, and then tons of small players accessing those services with a different coat of paint. It’s like if the web you mention consisted of lots of people doing alternative interfaces to access Facebook and Reddit.
scottgg · 1h ago
I’m assuming/hoping this is gonna end up as regular plugins for existing IDEs
commandar · 1h ago
That's kind of what I mean though.
Because I mentioned it and it's what I use daily: Roo is a VSCode extension. So you get the entire VSCode ecosystem for free. On the AI specific side, it has every feature this app highlights on its homepage and more. It works with just about any API provider and model you could ask for.
I could probably translate my existing workflow over to Claudia pretty easily, but what does that get me? A slightly different interface seems to be about it.
That's the question I keep hitting with these new tool announcements.
scottgg · 1h ago
Didn’t know about roo! But I’m with you; I don’t see why folks are investing their efforts in building more of these shiny wrappers, and what their expected end game could be.
rovr138 · 1h ago
Not tied to VSCode is a big one for me. This one is agnostic.
Continue.dev has some features, but it’s on VSCode and Jetbrains
commandar · 1h ago
If you're opposed to using VSCode for whatever reason, that's reasonable. Though, for me personally, the fact that it only lets you use Claude Code strikes me as a much larger negative on net. It's not at all agnostic in terms of AI provider.
That said, VSCode is a popular platform for this for exactly the reason I think consolidation is eventually inevitable: it's got a huge preexisting ecosystem. There are extensions for practically anything you could ask for.
There's likely room for some standalone, focused apps in this space. I just don't see the current wave of "we put a wrapper around Claude Code and gave it some basic MCP and custom prompt management tools like a dozen other applications this week" being sustainable.
They're all going to end up on their own tiny islands unless there's a reason for an ecosystem to develop around them.
breakfastduck · 42m ago
There are lots and lots and lots of us that don't like using VSCode, want to use our own IDE of choice and use Claude Code. Terminal / standalone app is best for me there or even better an IDE plugin.
A tiny island is fine for a tool like this - not everything needs an 'ecosystem'.
commandar · 28m ago
The thing about tiny islands isn't that every tool needs a sprawling ecosystem to thrive. It's that applications that don't develop a userbase tend to die. This is as true of open source apps as it is commercial ones.
Typically, applications develop a userbase when they offer something that people can't find elsewhere.
What I'm saying isn't "everyone should be using VScode extensions for this"; it's "I see nothing to distinguish this from a bunch of other functionally identical applications and people just keep building them." I literally don't see a single unique feature promoted on the landing page.
My fundamental point is that we're in a gold rush phase where people are all building the same thing. We'll eventually see a handful of apps get popular and effort swell around those instead of everyone reimplementing the same thing. And my money is on that looking a lot like it usually does: the winners will be the apps that find some way to differentiate themselves.
serf · 1h ago
"agnostically gnostic".
you give up one side of freedom (the ide) for the other (the backend).
paulddraper · 26m ago
> primary variation being greater-or-lesser lock-in to a particular set of services
> I don't see what this offers me that I don't already have with Roo
Ironic >-< for an AI tool tied to a specific IDE
yieldcrv · 56m ago
I was with a fairly well acclimated woman the other day and mentioned something about chatgpt’s voice, she acted confused and asked if that was the paid version (it is)
But long story short she showed me what she had on her iphone and it was a totally different app that wrapped a text chat interface around chatgpt, it wasn’t even themed like to be a persona or anything but was at the expense of any multimodal capabilities
Just caught me off guard about how common that might be
sibeliuss · 2h ago
That video on the homepage is insane... please for the sake of your amazing app, slow it down and make it less frantic!
(Super rapid zooming in and out, flying all over screen at 3x speed, must cover eyes!!)
canogat · 41m ago
Engineers often see no value in what marketers do. This video is what they don't do.
dcreater · 4m ago
It stuns me how bad many engineers are in basic communication.
Made something? Dont start with a long, protracted "This is how i built it from step 1". Show the damn thing! Then tell me how you built which i will be interested in only if the product is good to begin with.
svantana · 26m ago
Wait, you are somehow sure that no marketer was involved in making this video? Seems unlikely
nperez · 2h ago
Agreed 100%. When you work on an app every day, it all makes sense to see the cool features flash by, but you need to design for people who don't have a clue what your app does.
fullstackwife · 35m ago
Video promises what it should: a dopamine shot!
daviding · 1h ago
Yeah I couldn't watch, it's a Sunday morning here give me a break. First thought was:
Kramer: 'You can't put a limit on my café lattes. Says so right here. And I don't want dirty looks when I come in here. If I want a café latte, you give me a café latte'
kelnos · 1h ago
I get that some people go that way, but to me, the fact that Claude Code is a standalone terminal app is a strength, not a weakness. I don't really want or need a GUI here. "From Terminal Chaos to Visual Clarity" doesn't resonate with me; terminals to me are simpler and more structured.
At most, I've been thinking about installing one of the extensions to integrate Claude Code into (neo)vim, but even that I'm not sure I really want or need.
But for people who arm themselves to the teeth with GUIs and IDEs, I guess I can see the appeal.
christiangenco · 59m ago
I'm with you on desktop but I've been craving some sort of way to interact with Claude Code from my phone while I'm out and about.
What I want at the core is to be able to open up access to my laptop's currently running Claude Code instance (without all these hacky backdoors that fork the chat with every message by using `--print`; I want a first class API that lets me append messages to the current chat), then I want to be able to send messages (with voice transcription) and approve/deny permissions and see the code diffs and all of that.
Maybe something like a Telegram bot? I had hopes for Claude Code UI[1] but the web interface is too clunky on mobile.
I have been using VibeTunnel from the iPad. Probably not good for a phone, but on a slightly larger screen it's great. The tailscale integration makes it super easy.
metadat · 38m ago
Pretty neat, links included below for convenience:
Many of my claude tasks get frequently get stuck over small stuff, or require input from me, so I had Claude whip up something comparable in a few minutes. Now I can keep them moving remotely with ease and not be stuck in front of a desktop monitoring them! It's dreamy.
kelnos · 52m ago
What's your use case / use need for this flow? Personally I really do not want to do this sort of thing from my phone. I just can't see "coding" from my phone as anything but clunky and unpleasant, even with an assistant.
(Not to mention that if I only have my phone, I'm probably out doing something where I don't want to be working...)
dvno42 · 42m ago
Similar request as the parent, my use case is I setup a long prompt/task and like to go for a walk around the block to get my legs moving. Being able to "move the llm along" and make small modifications from my phone would be nice. Personally, I'd never do a long session that way but the chance to move my legs while it does a long task but not get stuck on a simple question in the claude tool would be lovely.
dkdcio · 29m ago
use Termius (shell client for iOS devices). put your phone and laptop/desktop on the same VPN. SSH in, use Claude Code normally from anywhere
LarMachinarum · 4m ago
for info: "Claudia" as a name happens to be already in use by another open source project: Claudia the audio session management tool (for the JACK/LADISH APIs i.e. typically on Linux), part of the KxStudio audio tools suite by Filipe Coelho (falkTX) and the KxStudio community: https://kx.studio/Applications:Claudia
hk__2 · 12m ago
The wording is bit akward given that Claudia is a female given name: you can "see Claudia in action", "get started with Claudia", run things "in Claudia". At least Claude is an agent, so it makes sense to give it a human name (which btw is neutral: in France you have both men and women called "Claude").
trevor-e · 18m ago
Personally I like the UI for https://conductor.build/ a lot more than this, although I'll have to give it a try.
I see a lot of commenters asking why a GUI is necessary. When you're running several agents in parallel it becomes very handy compared to the terminal. I can easily see the status of each which I haven't found a good equivalent for when using terminal tabs. Also it handles automatically creating git worktrees for each agent which is great.
divan · 18m ago
I like that it's not mutually exclusive with normal Claude Code usage in terminal.
Question about Dashboard - I'm on subscription plan, and Dashboard shows - "Total Cost: $XX.YY". Is it somehow representitive towards how much credit I used in my plan, or it's just showing a costs it would take if I was using API instead?
I definitely thought this was an anthropic thing that they were trying to spin off into it's own website and app for normies.
I am not saying it's infringement, I am just saying that my dumb brain made that connection and I feel like it's not unreasonable to assume that other people might as well.
mirsadm · 1h ago
I also made the assumption. Once I found out it wasn't it was a huge red flag. I don't like it at all.
iamflimflam1 · 1h ago
Agreed - I was about to send this round to my colleagues.
For once reading the comments first has paid off!
mirekrusin · 49m ago
Same here, first thing I did was to scroll down to see company in the footer and nope... somebody will be receiving legal letters soon I'd guess.
rane · 1h ago
How will they make money?
bigyabai · 1h ago
Step 1: Manufacture a bunch of low-quality "good enough" codebases
Step 2: Turn around and sell security-as-a-service to the most profitable products
mirekrusin · 15m ago
The only way there is to make money - from VCs.
nextworddev · 1h ago
Hosted version… like every oss project…
hk__2 · 52m ago
It’s a desktop app.
nextworddev · 26m ago
many desktop apps have hosted versions
hk__2 · 22m ago
I can’t think of any free desktop app that would have a non-free hosted version.
alphazard · 2h ago
Does this sandbox the agents? All I want is a way to keep the agents from writing to and reading from arbitrary places on the filesystem. I want that enforced using operating system primitives rather than a pinky promise with an LLM.
It already worries me that the Cursor agents occasionally try to perform operations with full absolute paths, which they wouldn't be able to know if they were properly sandboxed to the current directory.
johnfn · 1h ago
You can solve this yourself with a little elbow grease with Docker + a devcontainer. I did this and I’m very happy with the results - Claude can do anything it wants, but it can’t push to prod.
gorbypark · 1h ago
You could try sandbox-exec. It’s kind of depreciated but was more or less designed for this exact use case I think. It’s too bad Apple doesn’t really support it anymore (although it still works in my limited testing!)
Too bad OSs have such lock-in. Having a macOS with great sandboxing per folder + os capability to avoid the docker hellscape would be awesome. Probably not gonna happen until we can oneshot an OS rewrite :)
MrDarcy · 1h ago
sarcasm? macOS and iOS has all this today.
steveklabnik · 1h ago
If you use VS:Code, Anthropic provides an example DevContainer.
rubslopes · 30m ago
One thing that I'm missing from all of those Claude Code wrappers is the ability to search/replace and edit code. I'm mostly "vibing" nowadays, but often I face situations that editing the code by myself is faster than explaining it the AI.
terhechte · 1h ago
I tried it some weeks ago, but I went back to the CLI. Honestly, I've been a GUI app for most of my life, preferring proper GUI tools to Terminal tools, including running the GUI versions of VIM and Emacs (during my brief emacs stint). However, over the past 2 weeks I've slowly transitioned to a full cli development setup with wezterm, neovim, lazygit, fzf, fish & Claude Code. I enjoy working like this so much.
mosselman · 22m ago
That video is horrible I have no idea what is going on.
siva7 · 24m ago
Sorry, i don't get who this is for. For those who want to use a CLI tool but don't like using a CLI? Also it's only for API metered use?
chis · 2h ago
Really good idea, I’ll have to try it out. The thing I really want is to have the ability to give a recipe for a new Claude code instance - spin up a docker image with code, data, and a running server and then let Claude work against that.
smithclay · 25m ago
Hey, it's not well known but Anthropic actually publishes their own devcontainer feature layer for this (1). Many different CLI wrappers and tools are starting to imbed it (2) but is a nice DIY/open-source way to sandbox.
I’ve been wanting the same thing. I am currently experimenting with a container that adds what I want. I keep wanting my sandboxed dev machine that is preconfigured with Claude (and almost nothing else)…but then I also want my customized Claude. I saw someone here on HN the other day who just spins up a Docker container and shares their home directory Claude files with it to facilitate the customized Claude container:
You can do this with devcontainer and still work within VSCode.
astral_drama · 2h ago
I've developed a system that checks out a git repo into a docker compose container, tells claude to read a feature story, then implement it with --dangerously-skip-permissions turned on within the container. It work well enough.
I think it's another workflow, that might suit your needs, but I think the real magic continues to be in the model. Similarly, I'm sure Claudia adds some nice window dressing.
Eventually folks will settle in on some local maxima for interaction and software development with LLMs. Who know what it will look like? It'd be nice if whatever comes next bumps the industry out of the current scrum and sprint style workflows, if only to break folks out of the theatrics of these software personas and rituals.
Agree would feel far more comfortable if each Claudia project was a separate docker container that was spun up with the appropriate tooling (Node, Python, etc.) particularly with flags like `--dangerously-skip-permissions`.
There is an outstanding feature request around it at least:
Doesn’t make any sense to me. GUIs are discoverability tools. LLMs are essentially a runtime with a natural language interface. Why would it need a GUI wrapper? By definition its discoverability is already 100%.
mogili · 1h ago
Not sure what problem it solves on top of Claude Code. I tried it a while back when this was posted but didn't find it very useful. This being a desktop app didn't make sense to me.
jelambs · 42m ago
interesting, does it let you manage multiple claude code agents without having to spin up different git worktrees? we were discussing the other day how that's an annoying limitation of claude code compared to codex, and the friction in having to manage those different worktrees feels just not quite worth it.
pjmlp · 24m ago
In Electron, apparently, then provide a URL instead.
SOLAR_FIELDS · 1h ago
Part of the reason that I enjoy Claude code is because it has no GUI
eddieroger · 1h ago
I was thinking the same. I like that being in my terminal makes it feel closer to a build tool than not, because that's the space it fills for me. I like that, because it's a terminal, if I connect to my main machine through SSH, it's right there waiting for me. I'm not saying there isn't room in the world for both, but so far I haven't felt the need for a GUI tool in this space.
warthog · 1h ago
I was invited to be a beta user by Anthropic who is releasing this - FYI
mi_lk · 22m ago
This is not made by Anthropic. You are either seriously misinformed, or lying
rmonvfer · 1h ago
What what? Are they working on a proper GUI? This is actually massive if true
JSteph22 · 1h ago
So it's made by another company but "released" by Anthropic? What does that mean?
CuriouslyC · 1h ago
Great design, but Vibe Kanban is a thing and it has a MCP server.
selectnull · 1h ago
"Terminal chaos?"
Yes, please :)
theLiminator · 1h ago
Is this usable with local inference?
paulcole · 46m ago
> Claudia's Features: Everything You Need, Beautifully Designed
I’d really love to know what specifically about this is beautiful.
Steve Jobs says it and for 20+ years every tech bro parrots it mindlessly. “Oh do I think I did a good job on this? It must be beautifully designed.”
kylebenzle · 2h ago
Been using Claude almost daily but can't understand the use case of this program? Seems like a step backwards?
On the other, the trend seems to be everyone developing a million disparate tools that largely replicate the same functionality with the primary variation being greater-or-lesser lock-in to a particular set of services.
This is about the third tool this week I've taken a quick look at and thought "I don't see what this offers me that I don't already have with Roo, except only using Claude."
We're going to have to hit a collapse and consolidation cycle eventually, here. There's absolutely room for multiple options to thrive, but most of what I've seen lately has been "reimplement more or less the same thing in a slightly different wrapper."
How many ways can you wrap (worktrees, file manager, diff viewer, accept reject loops, preset specifications for agents) -- let's try Electron! Let's try Tauri! Let's try a different TUI!
What if we sat down and really thought about how these agentic IDEs should feel first instead of copy pasting to acquire market and mind share?
That's how these agentic front ends should be advertised: "Claude Code, plus _our special feature_" and then one can immediately see if the software is filled or devoid of interesting ideas.
Which is super cool. Like during the dawn of web 2.0 we had lots of aggregators and forums instead of "Reddit and others."
(I'm not saying it's good UX.)
My complaint is more that right now it feels like everybody is rushing to fill the exact same space with the exact same feature sets.
It's resulting in a lot of superficial diversity that's functionally homogenous. I want to see more applications that are pushing the capabilities of current AI tooling in creative directions.
So, in other words, this is the exact opposite? “Lost of aggregators and forums” meant diversity. Lots of small players doing their own thing. What we have now is a handful of big players, and then tons of small players accessing those services with a different coat of paint. It’s like if the web you mention consisted of lots of people doing alternative interfaces to access Facebook and Reddit.
Because I mentioned it and it's what I use daily: Roo is a VSCode extension. So you get the entire VSCode ecosystem for free. On the AI specific side, it has every feature this app highlights on its homepage and more. It works with just about any API provider and model you could ask for.
I could probably translate my existing workflow over to Claudia pretty easily, but what does that get me? A slightly different interface seems to be about it.
That's the question I keep hitting with these new tool announcements.
Continue.dev has some features, but it’s on VSCode and Jetbrains
That said, VSCode is a popular platform for this for exactly the reason I think consolidation is eventually inevitable: it's got a huge preexisting ecosystem. There are extensions for practically anything you could ask for.
There's likely room for some standalone, focused apps in this space. I just don't see the current wave of "we put a wrapper around Claude Code and gave it some basic MCP and custom prompt management tools like a dozen other applications this week" being sustainable.
They're all going to end up on their own tiny islands unless there's a reason for an ecosystem to develop around them.
A tiny island is fine for a tool like this - not everything needs an 'ecosystem'.
Typically, applications develop a userbase when they offer something that people can't find elsewhere.
What I'm saying isn't "everyone should be using VScode extensions for this"; it's "I see nothing to distinguish this from a bunch of other functionally identical applications and people just keep building them." I literally don't see a single unique feature promoted on the landing page.
My fundamental point is that we're in a gold rush phase where people are all building the same thing. We'll eventually see a handful of apps get popular and effort swell around those instead of everyone reimplementing the same thing. And my money is on that looking a lot like it usually does: the winners will be the apps that find some way to differentiate themselves.
you give up one side of freedom (the ide) for the other (the backend).
> I don't see what this offers me that I don't already have with Roo
Ironic >-< for an AI tool tied to a specific IDE
But long story short she showed me what she had on her iphone and it was a totally different app that wrapped a text chat interface around chatgpt, it wasn’t even themed like to be a persona or anything but was at the expense of any multimodal capabilities
Just caught me off guard about how common that might be
(Super rapid zooming in and out, flying all over screen at 3x speed, must cover eyes!!)
Made something? Dont start with a long, protracted "This is how i built it from step 1". Show the damn thing! Then tell me how you built which i will be interested in only if the product is good to begin with.
Kramer: 'You can't put a limit on my café lattes. Says so right here. And I don't want dirty looks when I come in here. If I want a café latte, you give me a café latte'
At most, I've been thinking about installing one of the extensions to integrate Claude Code into (neo)vim, but even that I'm not sure I really want or need.
But for people who arm themselves to the teeth with GUIs and IDEs, I guess I can see the appeal.
What I want at the core is to be able to open up access to my laptop's currently running Claude Code instance (without all these hacky backdoors that fork the chat with every message by using `--print`; I want a first class API that lets me append messages to the current chat), then I want to be able to send messages (with voice transcription) and approve/deny permissions and see the code diffs and all of that.
Maybe something like a Telegram bot? I had hopes for Claude Code UI[1] but the web interface is too clunky on mobile.
1. https://github.com/siteboon/claudecodeui
https://omnara.com/
https://vibetunnel.sh/
https://github.com/amantus-ai/vibetunnel
Many of my claude tasks get frequently get stuck over small stuff, or require input from me, so I had Claude whip up something comparable in a few minutes. Now I can keep them moving remotely with ease and not be stuck in front of a desktop monitoring them! It's dreamy.
(Not to mention that if I only have my phone, I'm probably out doing something where I don't want to be working...)
I see a lot of commenters asking why a GUI is necessary. When you're running several agents in parallel it becomes very handy compared to the terminal. I can easily see the status of each which I haven't found a good equivalent for when using terminal tabs. Also it handles automatically creating git worktrees for each agent which is great.
Question about Dashboard - I'm on subscription plan, and Dashboard shows - "Total Cost: $XX.YY". Is it somehow representitive towards how much credit I used in my plan, or it's just showing a costs it would take if I was using API instead?
I am not saying it's infringement, I am just saying that my dumb brain made that connection and I feel like it's not unreasonable to assume that other people might as well.
For once reading the comments first has paid off!
Step 2: Turn around and sell security-as-a-service to the most profitable products
It already worries me that the Cursor agents occasionally try to perform operations with full absolute paths, which they wouldn't be able to know if they were properly sandboxed to the current directory.
1. https://github.com/anthropics/devcontainer-features 2. shameless plug, my own open-source CLI for doing this: https://github.com/smithclay/claudetainer
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44549802
I think it's another workflow, that might suit your needs, but I think the real magic continues to be in the model. Similarly, I'm sure Claudia adds some nice window dressing.
Eventually folks will settle in on some local maxima for interaction and software development with LLMs. Who know what it will look like? It'd be nice if whatever comes next bumps the industry out of the current scrum and sprint style workflows, if only to break folks out of the theatrics of these software personas and rituals.
Here's my WIP: https://github.com/astral-drama/filter
There is an outstanding feature request around it at least:
https://github.com/getAsterisk/claudia/issues/8
Yes, please :)
I’d really love to know what specifically about this is beautiful.
Steve Jobs says it and for 20+ years every tech bro parrots it mindlessly. “Oh do I think I did a good job on this? It must be beautifully designed.”