In the past I used to get excited for any rum or, teaser or upcoming release.
However, in this apple era I can’t.
Why? Because I can’t count on them to deliver.
The M series chips, and air pods have been a smashing success.
But the fact that Siri is still behind even pre LLM state of the art is abominable.
Apple vision was innovative. But the forward facing display, and titanium parts that bloated weight and cost was a sign of deteriorating design thinking.
Their delivery is so inconsistent lately its hard to trust the known what they’re doing with their future.
joshmarinacci · 1h ago
In one sense this is logical. A HomePod with a screen and an iOS variant. On the other hand, what is this for? What uses do these smart home devices serve? We are a decade plus into the “smart home” era and most of these things are more trouble than they are worth.
jayd16 · 1m ago
Multi-user support is possibly something deserving of a larger rewrite to iOS. It's been a pretty big assumption in all of the devices outside Macos, right?
ajkjk · 3m ago
I feel like Apple has historical been good at taking things that are "good ideas but everyone is doing the execution so badly they haven't really caught on" into the "everyone uses it all the time" category (eg ipod, iphone, airpods). Certainly smart home stuff is kinda in the first category right now, like you said. Perhaps they believe they can give them the same treatment? It seems kinda plausible to me: there's no reason smart home stuff couldn't be a really good, seamless experience.
bryanrasmussen · 56m ago
Apple has on a few occasions in the past come in after people have spent a lot of time and energy developing things and making a small market, figuring out how it should actually work, making a nice version 1.0 of how it should actually work, making that market explode 100-fold and taking all the money.
That smart homes are more trouble than they are worth currently sounds to me like ripe territory for Apple to poach.
However not sure if without Jobs and Ive if they can actually do anything like what they used to.
paulryanrogers · 33m ago
Was Johnny Ive really a driver of innovation? Or just trading repairabily for vanity metrics?
treetalker · 7m ago
They're amazing at invading privacy!
Mistletoe · 15m ago
If I had to guess they are going to try and shoehorn AI into it to get a last gasp on the stock price going up.
slashdave · 28m ago
So, a new skin counts as "all-new"?
SG- · 28m ago
'all-new' meaning based on macOS just like iOS, watchOS, etc...
amelius · 1h ago
So is this about the kernel, or just the GUI layer? Or somewhere in between?
easton · 38m ago
Probably mostly the GUI and some different set of system services / APIs. I think all of the OSes are the same XNU/Darwin base and then diverge dramatically in user space.
vlovich123 · 40m ago
Somewhere in between. “New os” is them taking the base components of the OS and excluding some, including some new ones, changing the UX and DX, and defining how it fits into their broader ecosystem (in addition to things like adding new hardware support and whatnot).
dangus · 1h ago
> For example, he expects there to be a hexagonal grid of apps, just like on the Apple Watch.
One of the worst UI experiences out there.
veidr · 14m ago
YMMV. I also hate it (and use the simple, GenX-compatible alphabetically-ordered list) but all my kids and also my wife prefer the weird hex grid — they're just faster with it, it doesn't slow them down the way it does to my 1970s heavy-rock brain ¯\\_(ಠ_ಠ)_/¯
RatchetWerks · 18m ago
I'm in the minority here. I switched from list to hex. The hex allows for me to select X more apps versus scrolling down and looking for it. It was painful at first since I needed to remember what logos mapped to what app.
kamma4434 · 19m ago
Agreed. Super frustrating
ranger_danger · 57m ago
28 million watch sales may suggest that not everyone shares your opinion.
There can be other valid perspectives than your own.
aaronbrethorst · 44m ago
Apple Watch lets you switch between the unusable hexagonal grid and a list.
I’ve been an Apple Watch user for over ten years and switched from the grid to the list as soon as that was an option.
Also, thanks for introducing me to the term argumentum ad populum. I didn’t know what that was called before.
jsjohnst · 48m ago
As someone who has owned every single Apple Watch model/generation and love the hardware, I agree with GP on the terrible UX of the app grid.
jcelerier · 45m ago
Since when are sales in any way correlated to quality of the product?
Not saying it is a direct 1:1 correlation, but I think it's fair to say there is a correlation. And perhaps your definition of quality differs from others.
mkbelieve · 45m ago
I only ever use mine for the face + notifications. The UX is godawful. I'd probably buy an Apple watch that only served to relay OTPs.
glhaynes · 55m ago
It'll also be a very different experience on a screen many times as large.
mathiaspoint · 46m ago
Wow Apple watch in the mac form factor. It's like they want to be known for the worst OSes possible.
calibas · 38m ago
I assume another custom version of FreeBSD.
Klonoar · 26m ago
I roll my eyes every time someone regurgitates the FreeBSD line.
However, in this apple era I can’t.
Why? Because I can’t count on them to deliver.
The M series chips, and air pods have been a smashing success.
But the fact that Siri is still behind even pre LLM state of the art is abominable.
Apple vision was innovative. But the forward facing display, and titanium parts that bloated weight and cost was a sign of deteriorating design thinking.
Their delivery is so inconsistent lately its hard to trust the known what they’re doing with their future.
That smart homes are more trouble than they are worth currently sounds to me like ripe territory for Apple to poach.
However not sure if without Jobs and Ive if they can actually do anything like what they used to.
One of the worst UI experiences out there.
There can be other valid perspectives than your own.
I’ve been an Apple Watch user for over ten years and switched from the grid to the list as soon as that was an option.
Also, thanks for introducing me to the term argumentum ad populum. I didn’t know what that was called before.
https://frederik.today/blog/quality-vs-sales-affect-conversi...
https://avenuetalentpartners.com/2017/12/05/quality-always-w...
https://www.forbes.com/councils/forbescommunicationscouncil/...
Not saying it is a direct 1:1 correlation, but I think it's fair to say there is a correlation. And perhaps your definition of quality differs from others.
https://wiki.freebsd.org/Myths#FreeBSD_is_Just_macOS_Without...