I find it's impossible to talk about this topic online, even in unrelated forms where I haven't seen the topic come up I've seen moderators suddenly decide to announce that they won't tolerate "antisemitism" and inexplicably the topic comes up where it never did before and their definition of antisemitism seems to be anything other than pro Israeli news and messages and pithy "those people" type comments.
HN is not much different, any story is flagged almost immediately. No discussion allowed.
Meanwhile Israel seems to bet actively trying to drive every last Gazan to have a reason to join some extremist group. I don't understand where they think this is going ...
7402 · 21m ago
>I don't understand where they think this is going ...
This statement could be taken two ways: 1) it's purely rhetorical, i.e., there is no possible explanation for what Israel is doing and there literally is no possible way to do any analysis of it, or 2) it's a statement of lack of knowledge, i.e., I don't understand this; maybe someone else can explain it to me.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume #2.
The way to understand the Israeli point of view is to read the Israeli press and listen to Israeli political analysts, of which there are many. That shouldn't be a controversial statement.
I found this recent podcast particularly informative. You don't have to listen to it; if you open it in an appropriate podcast app you can get the transcript:
One minute after you made that statement, the Israeli propaganda brigade seems to have discovered this post and seems fully dedicated to proving your claims
duxup · 38m ago
Yup, the post is flagged again.
jiggawatts · 2h ago
It’s pretty clear that October 7th was the excuse the Israeli leadership was waiting for. They finally have causus belli to pacify Gaza one way or another. They might not raze it to the ground, that would have bad optics, but they’re certainly going to try to make life there unpleasant enough that the locals won’t protest too much if they’re forcefully relocated elsewhere.
A lot of western commentators are up in arms about the mistreatment and suffering but they’re missing the bigger picture: that’s the point. The suffering is the goal, not a side effect. The quiet part has been said out load enough (thanks Trump!) that we can’t act surprised.
What actually happens in the next couple of years hinges on how much political capital Bibi has left and how hard the general populace of Israel protests the atrocities committed in their name.
stemlord · 1h ago
>They might not raze it to the ground, that would have bad optics, but they’re certainly going to try to make life there unpleasant enough
Did you hit send on this message on Oct 8 and it just went through?
propagandist · 2h ago
The "western commentators" were instrumental in enabling this crime by yielding to "authority" and not questioning the claims of the occupying entity.
Decades of propaganda got us here, and the nature of the operation was clear from day 1. The leadership in almost all of our states are accomplices to this crime.
flyinglizard · 1h ago
Funny it’s clear to you, because I don’t see how it’s clear at all. Bibi was never one for deep or prolonged military conflicts. He knew Israeli politicians rarely ever make it OK out of wars. This war was forced upon Bibi and he knows that with anything other than a complete and unambiguous victory (like in Lebanon) he’ll be out.
The Israeli public is generally not concerned with the wellbeing of their enemy, not should they. If Gazans wish to be something other than an enemy - and here I’ll raise Lebanon as an example once again - they could return the hostages, lay down their arms and remove Hamas from power.
Some are embedded media, for example journalists which raided Israel together with Hamas on October 7th.
viraptor · 2h ago
Photos of someone holding weapons in an effective war zone is not evidence of any group membership. There's so many reasons why a journalist would be talking to soldiers and talking about their weapons/training. Not even limited to journalists and war - obviously these are terrorists, right? https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-congressman-posts-family...
I find it's impossible to talk about this topic online, even in unrelated forms where I haven't seen the topic come up I've seen moderators suddenly decide to announce that they won't tolerate "antisemitism" and inexplicably the topic comes up where it never did before and their definition of antisemitism seems to be anything other than pro Israeli news and messages and pithy "those people" type comments.
HN is not much different, any story is flagged almost immediately. No discussion allowed.
Meanwhile Israel seems to bet actively trying to drive every last Gazan to have a reason to join some extremist group. I don't understand where they think this is going ...
This statement could be taken two ways: 1) it's purely rhetorical, i.e., there is no possible explanation for what Israel is doing and there literally is no possible way to do any analysis of it, or 2) it's a statement of lack of knowledge, i.e., I don't understand this; maybe someone else can explain it to me.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume #2.
The way to understand the Israeli point of view is to read the Israeli press and listen to Israeli political analysts, of which there are many. That shouldn't be a controversial statement.
For English-language news and commentary from the Israeli point of view, you can read the Jerusalem Post https://www.jpost.com and the Times of Israel https://www.timesofisrael.com . No firewalls.
I found this recent podcast particularly informative. You don't have to listen to it; if you open it in an appropriate podcast app you can get the transcript:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/defining-victory-with-...
A lot of western commentators are up in arms about the mistreatment and suffering but they’re missing the bigger picture: that’s the point. The suffering is the goal, not a side effect. The quiet part has been said out load enough (thanks Trump!) that we can’t act surprised.
What actually happens in the next couple of years hinges on how much political capital Bibi has left and how hard the general populace of Israel protests the atrocities committed in their name.
Did you hit send on this message on Oct 8 and it just went through?
Decades of propaganda got us here, and the nature of the operation was clear from day 1. The leadership in almost all of our states are accomplices to this crime.
The Israeli public is generally not concerned with the wellbeing of their enemy, not should they. If Gazans wish to be something other than an enemy - and here I’ll raise Lebanon as an example once again - they could return the hostages, lay down their arms and remove Hamas from power.
How unsurprising...
Some are embedded media, for example journalists which raided Israel together with Hamas on October 7th.