Was there a very active thread that got locked and is now unsearchable? Same country, different but related accusations.
kayodelycaon · 9h ago
The really strange thing is no one seems to be doing anything material against Israel. No real sanctions, etc.
And it’s not because they are afraid of America. Some European countries stopped sending military supplies a while back.
Everyone is just standing around saying how bad it is but they are perfectly content to let Gaza be leveled while they keep trading with Israel.
The only people taking meaningful action seems to be Iran and the terrorist groups they support. And that seems more opportunistic than anything else.
Then again, who really cares about genocide in Africa? Maybe there isn’t anything different when it comes to genocide elsewhere. :(
chrisg23 · 3h ago
The main lobbying group in the USA in this area posted a tweet after the 2024 democratic primaries, to brag about how they achieved a 100% success rate in getting candidates they endorse to win the primary elections.
Perhaps there is a relation?
kayodelycaon · 3h ago
I don’t see how a lobby group in the USA has any influence over countries in the Middle East.
I’ve been doing some research and it seems like half the countries in the Middle East marginalize or have completely expelled Palestinians.
If that’s the case, there’s a lot of complex and ugly history no one wants to get involved with.
chrisg23 · 2h ago
Good points.
-I don’t see how a lobby group in the USA has any influence over countries in the Middle East.
The USA has a bigger military than all the countries in the Middle East Combined. And uses it on the regular. (Israel also has a bigger military than all its neighbors, the only one that has a larger or comparable military is Iran, which is about 1000 miles away to the border.)
-I’ve been doing some research and it seems like half the countries in the Middle East marginalize or have completely expelled Palestinians.
Which ones? Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon, three of the immediate neighbors of Israel, have 2.3million, 560k, and 480k registered palestinian refugees. Registered means being tracked by UN agency that tracks these things, its possible they missed a few hundred thousand or million.
There was a change of policy in these countries as well as in Gaza when it was noticed that palestinians that left as refugees have no legal route to going back to their country of origin, because Israel does not consider their claims valid and its 10x easier to keep them out of the country once they leave than it is to force them to leave.
The Gaza Strip itself was the host to some 1 million+ refugees prior to the outbreak of the war. That is 1 million people that used to have a home in Israel proper that now do not, and its the official policy of Israel that they can never return under any circumstances. It remains for the conflict to end to get an updated count with the new, lower number.
The countries in the middle east have collectively made the game theory decision that the best chance for Palestinians to gain real independence and be someday allowed to return to the land they lived in for centuries is to stop taking refugees. Its a heartbreakingly sad situation on many levels.
-If that’s the case, there’s a lot of complex and ugly history no one wants to get involved with.
It is likely uglier than you know. I encourage anyone that is interest to learn more of the history of events, from multiple sources. You might appreciate this interview with a Rabbi who opposes not just Zionism but the creation of Israel itself, from mainly a religious doctrinal point of view but also as a condemnation of what it has done so far. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhnIZTMM2-w
The Preparatory Committee of the Sudanese Doctors Union reported that over 522,000 infants have died from malnutrition since the outbreak of the war, with 286,000 additional cases of malnutrition recorded
mandmandam · 7h ago
> it’s not because they are afraid of America.
In some cases, it is precisely that. Ireland, for a fact, has been economically threatened for putting forward measures against Israel, ie [0]. We only know this because of investigative journalists, not mainstream media.
Then you can look at America's sanctions against Francesca Albanese, and ICC judges [1], which has the additional effect of 'legally' allowing America to sanction anyone who supports them.
Trump and Europe just signed a 'deal' which was basically just Europe promising to buy arms and LNG for the next 5 years, and pay more in tariffs, getting nothing in return. This is about as strong a suggestion that they are being threatened in some way that you could ask for.
And then there's a huge range of threats coming from Israel itself, such as thinly veiled threats to not allow citizens out of various countries out of Gaza [2].
A majority of the people in European countries are aghast, horrified, traumatized by the daily atrocities being committed with the tacit backing of their political and media classes. The disconnect has never been quite so stark.
> Everyone is just standing around saying how bad it is but they are perfectly content to let Gaza be leveled while they keep trading with Israel.
Again, all across Europe people are taking all the action they can; and are being brutally suppressed by state forces in response. Corporate and state media invert reality with a terrifying consistency, such as in Amsterdam with the football hooligans. In Germany peaceful protesters are being savagely beaten on the daily, and (illegally) threatened with deportation. In England, they are being charged as terrorists for holding signs supporting necessary Action in Palestine.
Even in Ireland, long-time bastion of anti-colonialism, peaceful protesters have been strip searched, had their hijabs removed, and detained. We've been working for years to end trade with Israel, but somehow our trade has increased sharply the past couple years, and we're even selling Israeli bonds out of our Central Bank. There's a lot more going on here than apathy.
> who really cares about genocide in Africa? Maybe there isn’t anything different when it comes to genocide elsewhere. :(
If you want to understand those conflicts, just follow the money. It always seems to lead right back to Western interests, after being washed in the UAE.
The thing is, there is massive profit being made from these genocides. Trade routes, oil, land, arms development, funding, minerals, gold, political control, media control; there's something in it for all the oligarchs.
And it’s not because they are afraid of America. Some European countries stopped sending military supplies a while back.
Everyone is just standing around saying how bad it is but they are perfectly content to let Gaza be leveled while they keep trading with Israel.
The only people taking meaningful action seems to be Iran and the terrorist groups they support. And that seems more opportunistic than anything else.
Then again, who really cares about genocide in Africa? Maybe there isn’t anything different when it comes to genocide elsewhere. :(
Perhaps there is a relation?
I’ve been doing some research and it seems like half the countries in the Middle East marginalize or have completely expelled Palestinians.
If that’s the case, there’s a lot of complex and ugly history no one wants to get involved with.
-I don’t see how a lobby group in the USA has any influence over countries in the Middle East.
The USA has a bigger military than all the countries in the Middle East Combined. And uses it on the regular. (Israel also has a bigger military than all its neighbors, the only one that has a larger or comparable military is Iran, which is about 1000 miles away to the border.)
-I’ve been doing some research and it seems like half the countries in the Middle East marginalize or have completely expelled Palestinians.
Which ones? Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon, three of the immediate neighbors of Israel, have 2.3million, 560k, and 480k registered palestinian refugees. Registered means being tracked by UN agency that tracks these things, its possible they missed a few hundred thousand or million.
There was a change of policy in these countries as well as in Gaza when it was noticed that palestinians that left as refugees have no legal route to going back to their country of origin, because Israel does not consider their claims valid and its 10x easier to keep them out of the country once they leave than it is to force them to leave.
The Gaza Strip itself was the host to some 1 million+ refugees prior to the outbreak of the war. That is 1 million people that used to have a home in Israel proper that now do not, and its the official policy of Israel that they can never return under any circumstances. It remains for the conflict to end to get an updated count with the new, lower number.
The countries in the middle east have collectively made the game theory decision that the best chance for Palestinians to gain real independence and be someday allowed to return to the land they lived in for centuries is to stop taking refugees. Its a heartbreakingly sad situation on many levels.
-If that’s the case, there’s a lot of complex and ugly history no one wants to get involved with.
It is likely uglier than you know. I encourage anyone that is interest to learn more of the history of events, from multiple sources. You might appreciate this interview with a Rabbi who opposes not just Zionism but the creation of Israel itself, from mainly a religious doctrinal point of view but also as a condemnation of what it has done so far. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhnIZTMM2-w
The Preparatory Committee of the Sudanese Doctors Union reported that over 522,000 infants have died from malnutrition since the outbreak of the war, with 286,000 additional cases of malnutrition recorded
In some cases, it is precisely that. Ireland, for a fact, has been economically threatened for putting forward measures against Israel, ie [0]. We only know this because of investigative journalists, not mainstream media.
Then you can look at America's sanctions against Francesca Albanese, and ICC judges [1], which has the additional effect of 'legally' allowing America to sanction anyone who supports them.
Trump and Europe just signed a 'deal' which was basically just Europe promising to buy arms and LNG for the next 5 years, and pay more in tariffs, getting nothing in return. This is about as strong a suggestion that they are being threatened in some way that you could ask for.
And then there's a huge range of threats coming from Israel itself, such as thinly veiled threats to not allow citizens out of various countries out of Gaza [2].
A majority of the people in European countries are aghast, horrified, traumatized by the daily atrocities being committed with the tacit backing of their political and media classes. The disconnect has never been quite so stark.
> Everyone is just standing around saying how bad it is but they are perfectly content to let Gaza be leveled while they keep trading with Israel.
Again, all across Europe people are taking all the action they can; and are being brutally suppressed by state forces in response. Corporate and state media invert reality with a terrifying consistency, such as in Amsterdam with the football hooligans. In Germany peaceful protesters are being savagely beaten on the daily, and (illegally) threatened with deportation. In England, they are being charged as terrorists for holding signs supporting necessary Action in Palestine.
Even in Ireland, long-time bastion of anti-colonialism, peaceful protesters have been strip searched, had their hijabs removed, and detained. We've been working for years to end trade with Israel, but somehow our trade has increased sharply the past couple years, and we're even selling Israeli bonds out of our Central Bank. There's a lot more going on here than apathy.
> who really cares about genocide in Africa? Maybe there isn’t anything different when it comes to genocide elsewhere. :(
If you want to understand those conflicts, just follow the money. It always seems to lead right back to Western interests, after being washed in the UAE.
The thing is, there is massive profit being made from these genocides. Trade routes, oil, land, arms development, funding, minerals, gold, political control, media control; there's something in it for all the oligarchs.
0 - https://www.ontheditch.com/us-ambassador-warned/
1 - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c70rllxr0kyo
2 - https://x.com/wereontheditch/status/1768702362615460116
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/07/28/middleeast/israeli-human-...
https://www.btselem.org/publications/202507_our_genocide
singing what we cant say