Thanks, tech industry! A generational disruption in all forms of science and the destruction of the crown jewels of America’s last century, but at least now you get to be ruled by a violent senile pedophile and his deranged crackhead enablers.
pi-err · 1h ago
You could swap "tech" for "big media" and just play the same blame game for Reagan's and Bush Jr's elections.
> the crown jewels of America’s last century
Including Nasa in this pure idealization of the past. Nasa had many flaws that enabled a catastrophic Shuttle program and then the slow loss of US go-to-LEO capability.
There's probably more to expect of US investment in space without incompetent or contradictory military and political oversight than the current nasa zombie programs.
And it's unclear that Nasa can ever be without that oversight.
jimbo808 · 1h ago
Do you remember when a President of the United States was impeached for an affair with an adult intern?
Do you remember when a Republican presidential nominee defended his opponent from a racist question at a Republican Rally, calling him a "decent family man?"
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Then, can you think of a time when a POTUS committed a pump a security he was selling, only to dump it immediately after his inauguration, and it it was barely talked about at at all?
Yeul · 15m ago
I wasn't alive but I read about how people made fun of Carter for being a peanut farmer.
So much for Americans believing in hard work and salt of the earth! Now they have a NYC property developer.
To understand America do not listen to what they say but watch what they do...
pydry · 1h ago
The shuttle program wasnt what NASA wanted to do, it was the military that pushed for that.
It's ironic that you'd blame them for the thing they didnt want to do.
If theyd kept their budget and autonomy after the moon landing it looked like they wouldve been building reusable rockets like the ones elon is building now, except in like, 1980.
exe34 · 1h ago
Yes, too much oversight is the problem here, not lobbying and self-interest/corruption.
oc1 · 2h ago
Thanks also Y Combinator and friends for making this possible
sokoloff · 2h ago
What part of this do you think is the fault of the “tech industry”?
The tech industry certainly has its flaws and things to criticize, but this doesn’t seem part of it, unless I’m missing a connection somehow.
bluealienpie · 2h ago
Probably the creation of techno-fascist state, or at least the desire to have one as outlined by Thiel and co. The excessive deference that all tech companies have had towards elected leaders instead of striving for independence under the law, and now they strive to co-opt government to achieve their goals.
hansmayer · 2h ago
Who were the people in the front row behind the current president during his inauguration ceremony, I wonder?
fastball · 1h ago
Who were the people in the front row behind the last president during his inauguration ceremony, I wonder?
croes · 1h ago
You mean the last non-authoritarian president of the US?
I don't really see complete ensamble of billionaire tech bro club here.
mittensc · 2h ago
unchecked social media has allowed outside actors like russia/china to influence elections.
It has also allowed brainwashing of society's most vulnerable to a point where a nazi salute is just dismissed, pedofiles can be protected, etc.
This is something that is pervasive through ads, seo, social media 'organic' campaigns, etc.
Tech sector was more then happy to take all the money and none of the responsibility.
Then with that money they go and do what? better society like bill gates?...
LtWorf · 2h ago
Lol, quite convenient to blame trump on the evil dictators of someplace else.
mittensc · 2h ago
elections worldwide, not just the US.
They are trying to dismantle/weaken democracies everywhere.
That they are not the only ones with the same intentions is not good.
LtWorf · 1h ago
Every large country is doing that everywhere constantly. It's not an exclusive of the ones you don't like.
mittensc · 1h ago
How does the US influence elections in Russia/China?
Also, I care about my children not growing up in a dictatorship.
As such, their manipulation affects me directly...
You should too. You won't like being treated like a literal slave.
Deflecting like this just empowers the same manipulation.
LtWorf · 1h ago
> How does the US influence elections in Russia/China?
Are you claiming the CIA doesn't exist? Are you claiming there was never any stay behind organisation? Are you claiming the entire continent of south america doesn't see USA intervention every time they vote wrong?
I also don't like dictatorships, and USA propped dictators aren't any better than russian ones.
nradov · 55m ago
Are you claiming that there's something negative about stay-behind organizations? Those are a critical part of defense and deterrence.
LtWorf · 40m ago
There's a lot of negative. Perhaps you could do some reading on what those organisations do before telling me how amazing they are?
For example, being involved in killing prime ministers USA doesn't like that were regularly elected…
The relentless disintermediation of, well, everything in society is powered by big tech. No middle class can exist anymore in the neoliberal turbocapitalist system that's trying to grow into place everywhere; there is just the little human puttering about, and a bunch of extremely rich oligarchs and tech bros taking their money.
Technology made all of this possible. From amazon (destruction of local shops) to uber (not saying the old system was good, but who needs transit concentrated into the hands of a few) to google (monopolizing and stifling search and adtech). And who knows what role large scale manipulation by stochastic propaganda parrots will play.
prpl · 2h ago
Well, among other things, the Vice President was quite literally a tech venture capitalist with all sorts of tech support (not that kind though)
ddos27 · 2h ago
Peter Thiel, David Sacks, Ellison and of course Elon Musk who funded the trump
croes · 1h ago
So Thiel and Musk have nothing to do with Trump getting elected.
Or Social networks as an easy way of spreading misinformation.
New to the club AI that delivers convincing sound, photo and video „proofs“ for any fake news they want including elaborated texts fitting to their target audience
15155 · 38m ago
"Misinformation," also known as "information I don't agree with."
whoknowsidont · 2h ago
>What part of this do you think is the fault of the “tech industry”?
Are you really asking this in good faith? This is the tech equivalent of saying "The earth is flat because when I look out on my 43rd floor condo I can't see the earth curve."
>I’m missing a connection somehow.
Yeah? All the """tech people""" that supported a platform to do exactly like the article is describing?
fastball · 1h ago
Yeah, the entire tech industry is a monolith which collectively supports one platform or another.
exe34 · 1h ago
The entire tech industry is roughly a dozen billionaires and then a bunch of nobodies.
derektank · 1h ago
Even if you limit yourself to billionaires, I don't see how you can possibly blame Sundar Pichai, Satya Nadella, Jensen Huang, and Tim Cook for the current administration's decisions to cut funding to science and basic research (among other bad decisions). The worst thing you can say about them is that some of them, after the election, essentially paid bribes to the protection racket that is the current administration. It would be more noble if they refused, but it's also sort of blaming the victim and either way had no impact on these decisions
isodev · 1h ago
Just a wild guess: The connection is uncontrolled growth, where companies evolve from a normal business to a perpetual "increasing shareholder value" grift (think the Apples, Googles, Microsofts, Metas, (Space)Xs out there...). It happened when tech incorporated "the user" as a product (as opposed to tech working to actually solve problems and elevate the status quo).
fastball · 1h ago
Why the fuck is SpaceX in that list?
isodev · 18m ago
Chief Fascist Bro is the CEO of SpaceX and it was his lobbying and doge grifts that started the NASA drama in the first place. It would be a very long comment if we had to list all companies by name, I think the parent was very clear about the "tech industry" in this case.
hopelite · 6m ago
“… at least now you get to be ruled by a violent senile pedophile and his deranged crackhead enablers.”
Which one? *blank stare*
America has a deeply rooted problem with a parasitic and evil, lying, conniving, devious ruling class and their treasonous, accomplice enablers… to clarify what may be dismissed by some because you call them “crackheads”.
smokel · 2h ago
Any practical tips on how to improve upon the current situation?
How come is it the tech industry to blame? Trump’s election result is because of the decades of de-industrialization and undereducated people left out of the growth during this time. I don’t see why tech industry would be the first to blame.
oc1 · 2h ago
If i leave a knife on the table and you decide to stab me with it, who is to blame? The knife, me or you?
h4ck_th3_pl4n3t · 1h ago
...and you still didn't get your Praxis nation! Ha!
kortilla · 2h ago
The tech industry overwhelmingly voted against Trump. Pick a different boogeyman
ch33zer · 2h ago
The workers did, the people with money welcomed him with open arms hoping for less regulation and big contracts. Look in the row behind trump during his inauguration if you need proof.
kortilla · 15m ago
they only welcomed him after he won in a big ring kissing competition (apart from Musk and a famous VC or two of course)
mittensc · 2h ago
who did most of the tech billionaires sponsor?
derektank · 1h ago
Most tech billionaires didn't endorse anyone because the election was close and they wanted to avoid scrutiny by either party. A few high profile tech billionaires endorsed Donald Trump
Ygg2 · 2h ago
> ruled by a violent senile pedophile and his deranged crackhead enablers
Which one?
If you want to blame anyone, try the financial sector and financialization of everything. They fed the conflagration and created perfect condition for Trump-like figure to rise.
t0lo · 2h ago
It's a very worthwhile story to follow imo :)
crinkly · 2h ago
I work for one of the largest financial companies. It's not us or the sector. There's a whole shadow sector behind the scenes doing this stuff run by billionaire funded think tanks who manipulated tech markets and leverage political and social manipulation through their connections. It's the world we live in but we didn't create it.
Shit education leads to pliable humans leads to social manipulation leads to desired outcomes from marketing efforts.
tonyhart7 · 56m ago
is that same people that I was thinking????
I know they all one to blame even they control government
crinkly · 29m ago
Well there's quite a few of them who are ideologically aligned.
Ygg2 · 4m ago
I don't blame any particular sector in particularly but everyone is guilty in aggregate. And this has been going on for decades.
At the end of the day it's what capitalism is best at maximizing efficiency, and externalizing the risks to someone else.
rockskon · 46m ago
NASA has been downsizing a lot.
Friend of mine is a contractor for NASA who has been trained as a parts engineer for sourcing and testing electronic components that go into satellites and spacecrafts will be out of a job in a few months as her entire branch is eliminating all contractor positions.
Now she has a specialized skillset that isn't very readily transferable to other local companies and industries.
Sucks. Can't imagine she's the only one from NASA facing this crisis.
bradley13 · 1h ago
I'm sure the bureaucracy can stand some serious cutting. However, with voluntary programs like this, you tend to lose the best people.
jart · 25m ago
NASA ended their space shuttle program in 2011 and hasn't been able to send things into space since. For the rest of that decade, the only way Americans could access ISS was by purchasing tickets on Russian spacecraft. NASA pivoted to partnering with private government contractors like ULA, which did 4 launches in 2024, probably spy satellites for the military, but their Atlas V rocket only has 14 launches remaining before retirement. That's it. Aside from the greatly maligned SpaceX of course, which did their first manned mission in 2020 and operated 134 launches in 2024.
There are still maybe one or two cool jobs left at NASA like controlling the Voyager software. But I imagine everyone else at NASA who respects themselves would have left for SpaceX a long time ago, rather than waiting for Trump to incentivize their retirement. Half of all revenue collected by the US federal government in 2024 (totaling $2565 billion) was given to retirees. Mostly middle class and government retirees. So this policy shift is very aligned with the US status quo, which is paying people to do nothing, rather than having them go through the motions of tilting at bureaucratic windmills trying to do something.
Even in this thread you see how pervasive the attitude is. I've seen several comments here so far talking about how the economic system isn't giving them enough money, but I've yet to see anyone here express a willingness to eat ramen, sleep in the trenches, get their hands dirty, and endure whatever pain and peril it takes if it grants the opportunity to help out getting things done with space exploration. Those are the kinds of people who create material abundance.
spicyusername · 2h ago
Wow, that's terrible news...
I just don't understand why this is something people would want.
indy · 2h ago
Because a lot of people believe that large government institutions are nothing more than job programs for voters of Democrats.
The image is that for every scientist at Nasa there are countless administrators, HR ladies and diversity hires
Yeul · 5m ago
Even the US is not exempt from economic rules. Trump and the rich want less taxation. The deficit cannot grow infinitely. Something has to be cut.
spwa4 · 2h ago
Because a LOT of people have been left out of economic progress in Europe especially, and in the US. They want, even need change, and Trump came with a "believable" story for change. As in, more change than a president Harris would have delivered.
Unless we get economic progress more equally spread this will get worse and worse.
derriz · 1h ago
I don't think this is true or at least is not reflected by any statistics.
Inequality, as measured by GINI has been falling both for the EU as a whole and within most European countries for decades now. The last decade in particular has seen declines in nearly all EU countries.
Taking the EU on average the last time it increased was in 2014 - which is to be expected as the 2013 expansion allowed a number of relatively poor countries into the union.
A few examples, I looked at Ireland in particular, and inequality has never been lower - the earliest statistics I could find is from the mid-1980s. Inequality peaked around 2000 for the UK and has declined hugely since then. France is more equal than it was in 2000 although the fall is less dramatic than that for the UK. Admittedly Germany has seen a slight rise since 2000 but Germany has also absorbed millions of very poor refugees in that time.
The US is an outlier globally - with rising inequality over the last few decades.
Slightly off-topic, this untrue claim of rising inequality in Europe is often presented without challenge and then used to justify some radical political solution. To my mind, it's using the same political "mind hack" that the the MAGA/alt-right in the USA have used (in this case concerning race, immigrants, global multilateralism, or social tolerance - "wokism" - in general).
For both, the veracity of the claims is apparently unimportant and uninteresting as long as the claim aligns with one's political orientation. The goal of these oft repeated untruths is to provoke indignation or anger - in order to drum up support for some radical political "solution".
nosianu · 1h ago
Gini does not give a full picture, it is just one measure.
Here is a German podcast on the high quality "Deutschlandfunk".
Headline: "Only the top four percent make it to the top in Germany."
> Despite political upheavals over the past 150 years, Germany's elites have remained the same. Sociologist Michael Hartmann criticizes the fact that only four percent of the population shapes the country. He calls for a quota of working-class children on executive boards.
Same with Germany's schools, my country has one of the worst records when it comes to mixing it up. Those who come from well-educated parents will become well-educated. Society is quite static.
Next, Germany puts the majority of the financial burden of financing the country on incomes from work. Income from capital, or much worse, inheritances, are not even considered, whenever the government needs to plug holes it's going to come from working income.
Also, the number of bad jobs, especially those where even many engineers don't work for the actual employer, but for companies that lend them out, has only risen decade by decade to absurd heights. Employers may claim that is to work around the strict labor laws, that they cannot just fire somebody they don't want, but that is an incomplete statement at best. The entire economy has gone away from stable long-term, even life jobs, to ever more insecure employment. That is part of why our birth-rate has just dropped to new record lows too, there is just too little security and too much uncertainty in one's live these days.
We are also terrible at providing housing, which also depresses the labor market because moving has become risky and costly, there just is no housing no matter where you go, and if you find something it's likely to be much more expensive than what you had.
pseudo0 · 53m ago
The problem with those stats for Ireland is that the Gini coefficient measured by the World Bank just looks at household income, not wealth. Much of the inequality in Ireland in the last few decades has been driven by the explosion in property prices and rents. This has created a great deal of inequality between people who benefited from the rapid increase in price of those assets, and the people stuck paying much higher rents. In roughly a generation (30 years) property prices have increased by roughly 600% after adjusting for inflation.
If they believed Trump, they deserve everything they get. Sadly those who didn't believe didn't vote enough.
15155 · 33m ago
> If they believed Trump, they deserve everything they get.
Is it a matter of "belief," or could it possibly be an optimal strategy to secure potentially two more Supreme Court nominations?
watwut · 1h ago
This has exactly zero with being left out of economic progress and wanting it. They literally vote for people who are leaving them outside of all subsequent economic progress. And that was also their voting record in the past. What they actually voted for was culture war - disgust with trans specifically and hate toward anything that can be casted as liberal which includes science. It was wish for Christian autocracy and enforcement of associated values.
The feel good explanations are just that - feel good euphemisms. Acting on them failed in the past repeatedly. Politicians who tried to improve situation of these people were punished, repeatedly. Meanwhile, politicians acting in offensive and harmful way were rewarding even when they made lifes of their voters worst.
We really should stop projecting these good faith falsehoods when the are and were clearly false.
linguae · 1h ago
I don’t know enough about economic conditions in Europe to say something intelligent, but unfortunately I’m very pessimistic about the near- and medium-term future of America. There’s nothing on the horizon that will make life better for everyday Americans, who are currently struggling to keep up with the sharp rise in the cost of living in recent years. From tariffs to business uncertainties, all I see is life getting even more expensive, and we might reach a tipping point where everything falls apart. I’m also very concerned about the national debt and the dollar.
All I know is that the 1990s until now have been a bonanza for some people but increasingly difficult for many others. I blame this on the financialization of our economy, with housing policy in America’s coastal metro areas definitely not helping (municipalities restrict supply through zoning and other mechanisms, and the financialization of our economy only exacerbated matters by pouring gasoline on the demand side). This is a failure of our leadership class; I’m not just talking about politicians, but I’m talking about our wealthy, our corporate executives, and even ourselves when we have positions of influence. Collectively the leadership of our country has chosen maximizing their own material benefit at the expense of maintaining a livable society. The result is anger due to Americans increasly having a harder time just getting by while our “leadership” keeps adding to their power and wealth.
Due to anger over establishment politicians, the Republican Party has been completely captured by MAGA, and the Democratic Party has a very vocal left wing that came close to winning the 2016 primary and was a serious contender in 2020.
Unfortunately Trump on a good day is far more destructive than Clinton, both Bushes, Obama, and Biden on their worst days. Trump’s neo-mercantilist economic policies won’t bring prosperity, but unfortunately his stance on “culture war” matters have resonated with large swaths of the American electorate; we’ve long had problems with racism, xenophobia, religious bigotry, anti-intellectualism, and other related issues since the colonial era.
Moreover, despite Trump’s promises in 2016 to “drain the swamp,” Trump is backed by many prominent billionaires and other influential and powerful people. Trump is not a one-man operation; he would have no power without an entire apparatus of GOP politicians and a stacked Supreme Court.
The only thing keeping Trump’s popularity afloat is his relentless attacks on “enemies” of MAGA, such as immigrants, scientists, universities, unflattering media outlets, Democratic politicians, etc. But eventually the fallout of his reckless policies will trickle down to Trump voters in the form of higher prices for goods and services, and either when Trump runs out of enemies or when the MAGA base gets crushed by the weight of high prices and are looking for answers, what are Trump and MAGA politicians going to do?
Unfortunately I don’t see any easy solutions. A return to the pre-2017 status quo ante is only going to lead to the same leadership that led to such anger in the first place. However, staying the course is definitely going to lead to a crash. The solution is going to need to come from the people, but it’s hard for average people in America to compete against systems that entrench the power of our two-party system and that require massive amounts of money to effectively compete. There are no easy ways out of this mess.
tonyhart7 · 58m ago
I hope spacex,blue origin etc can pick up these people
hope the best for them
magicloop · 1h ago
The real game the current administration is playing is to land on Mars before their current term expires. This mirrors the political, prestige, and technology triumph of the Kennedy administration. This is why the BBB Bill refocussed on the Mars mission despite having cuts.
What is being cut is otherwise a symptom of the budget deficit (7%) and the fact that politically they cut areas where there are not republican votes, as politicians obviously try to maintain their voter base as a consideration in their decisions.
Note historically a criticism of the original lunar mission was that USA diverted funds from hospitals and other public programs to fund the mission. So some were bitter despite the triumph.
It goes back to the fundamental conundrum. You have a back of corn. Do you plant the corn, or eat the corn? If AI delivers for America (planting the corn) and USA lands on Mars, these 4k NASA employees will not dwell in the public imagination despite our respect for their commitment, skill and service.
mrtksn · 1h ago
Good framing but IMHO it’s a bit like thinking by analogy.
Last time, USA was behind in space race and they didn’t just use what they already had to go to the moon, instead they started a huge movement that inspired and educated generations of scientist and engineers. this redeemed all the issues with cutting services from other places to go to the moon.
This time around, it looks like a desperate attempt to do something that worked in the past and looks impressive on face value, but it’s actually empty inside.
Last time, huge number of people were provided with resources and education that had outstanding impact on America, much much more than the act of landing on the moon did by itself.
This time you get resources directed to a generation of hateful people and sex offenders who use the already available technology to produce a show.
nradov · 49m ago
There is zero chance that humans will land on Mars before the end of the current administration. It isn't technically feasible. They are not seriously planning on this.
perihelions · 1h ago
> "before their current term expires"
> "This mirrors the political, prestige, and technology triumph of the Kennedy administration"
Trump may have said "before my term ends"; what JFK said was "before this decade is out".
IMHO, this is like a diametric opposite of Richard M. Nixon landing on the moon, two presidencies after Kennedy (and of opposite party); acting for Americans' obvious shared interests (not personal vanity); being the final link in an unbroken chain of sustained, stable governance. We've lost the capacity for greatness of that era. We don't have that, that chain of stable governance in service of national interests; what we have is an attention-deficient narcissist, capriciously destroying every great American thing that exists which doesn't have name attached.
(Ironically, the thing Kennedy so fervently competed against no longer exists today. That fearsome adversary, the triumph of Sputnik and Gagarin, was also demolished in this century by a Trump-like figure, spouting vapid promises of greatness as he vandaled and looted it to the ground).
kacesensitive · 2h ago
I know a few of these people. The two I've spoken with since their resignation basically said, "we're definitely getting laid off unless something insane changes with the funding cuts so at least this way we get a severance."
It's really sad how our NASA funding is the lowest it's been since 1961.
I'm so sick of the not only incompetent leadership in the U.S., but the literal anti-science stance our government has taken. We're 6 months into this nightmare, I really can't see how it can get worse.
rockskon · 44m ago
A phrase I've taken to heart from someone who has lived in a less stable nation than the US - it can always get worse.
ineedaj0b · 1h ago
i too knew a lot of NASA employed peopled and it’s always regrettable to lose a job but.. what the heck was our space program doing? i know they blamed changing leadership and changing budget but the space shuttle’s replacement program was run horribly.
the only working part of cape canaveral was whatever spy satellites they needed to launch.
thankfully spaceX does a pretty good job and while I wish it was still nasa leading the globe in space travel, the main decline of our era is unwieldy bureaucracy and not even nasa could figure out how to run a profit despite a monopoly.
righthand · 1h ago
Run a profit? What does that mean? What profitable business is currently available for an aeronautics and space agency that was never about making "profit".
tonyhart7 · 50m ago
NASA should launch internet sattellite like starlink so they can profit off something but its too late
I think the thinking that government body is not for profit is misleading since you want a bit of independence in terms on financial budget
see what happen when government change stance, NASA hiring and firing depends on political mood at the point
having an profitable business wouldn't make NASA cut the job if government decide to cut the budget
torlok · 49m ago
Looking forward to SpaceX launching the next Voyager mission.
admissionsguy · 13m ago
Good, space program run by the government was very wasteful for many decades.. scientific missions were nice but also a bit of extravagant luxury
kubb · 2h ago
So basically, Elon Musk is eating NASA, and people are cheering.
optimalsolver · 1h ago
I always wonder how many caught up in these federal mass firings voted for Trump. I can't imagine they could've foreseen this outcome.
USAID was probably a stronghold of Dem voters, but what about the Dept. of Agriculture, or the Forest Service?
nQQKTz7dm27oZ · 2h ago
If they provide a valued service to aviation / space domain, they will easily find jobs with companies in that domain. If those companies provide a valued service to individuals, such individuals will pay them. Anything else is state-sponsored cronyist robbery.
> the crown jewels of America’s last century
Including Nasa in this pure idealization of the past. Nasa had many flaws that enabled a catastrophic Shuttle program and then the slow loss of US go-to-LEO capability.
There's probably more to expect of US investment in space without incompetent or contradictory military and political oversight than the current nasa zombie programs.
And it's unclear that Nasa can ever be without that oversight.
Do you remember when a Republican presidential nominee defended his opponent from a racist question at a Republican Rally, calling him a "decent family man?"
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Then, can you think of a time when a POTUS committed a pump a security he was selling, only to dump it immediately after his inauguration, and it it was barely talked about at at all?
To understand America do not listen to what they say but watch what they do...
It's ironic that you'd blame them for the thing they didnt want to do.
If theyd kept their budget and autonomy after the moon landing it looked like they wouldve been building reusable rockets like the ones elon is building now, except in like, 1980.
The tech industry certainly has its flaws and things to criticize, but this doesn’t seem part of it, unless I’m missing a connection somehow.
I don't really see complete ensamble of billionaire tech bro club here.
It has also allowed brainwashing of society's most vulnerable to a point where a nazi salute is just dismissed, pedofiles can be protected, etc.
This is something that is pervasive through ads, seo, social media 'organic' campaigns, etc.
Tech sector was more then happy to take all the money and none of the responsibility.
Then with that money they go and do what? better society like bill gates?...
They are trying to dismantle/weaken democracies everywhere.
That they are not the only ones with the same intentions is not good.
Also, I care about my children not growing up in a dictatorship.
As such, their manipulation affects me directly...
You should too. You won't like being treated like a literal slave.
Deflecting like this just empowers the same manipulation.
Are you claiming the CIA doesn't exist? Are you claiming there was never any stay behind organisation? Are you claiming the entire continent of south america doesn't see USA intervention every time they vote wrong?
I also don't like dictatorships, and USA propped dictators aren't any better than russian ones.
For example, being involved in killing prime ministers USA doesn't like that were regularly elected…
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizzazione_Gladio#Collegam...
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40562399
Technology made all of this possible. From amazon (destruction of local shops) to uber (not saying the old system was good, but who needs transit concentrated into the hands of a few) to google (monopolizing and stifling search and adtech). And who knows what role large scale manipulation by stochastic propaganda parrots will play.
Or Social networks as an easy way of spreading misinformation.
New to the club AI that delivers convincing sound, photo and video „proofs“ for any fake news they want including elaborated texts fitting to their target audience
Are you really asking this in good faith? This is the tech equivalent of saying "The earth is flat because when I look out on my 43rd floor condo I can't see the earth curve."
>I’m missing a connection somehow.
Yeah? All the """tech people""" that supported a platform to do exactly like the article is describing?
Which one? *blank stare*
America has a deeply rooted problem with a parasitic and evil, lying, conniving, devious ruling class and their treasonous, accomplice enablers… to clarify what may be dismissed by some because you call them “crackheads”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_emigration
Which one?
If you want to blame anyone, try the financial sector and financialization of everything. They fed the conflagration and created perfect condition for Trump-like figure to rise.
Shit education leads to pliable humans leads to social manipulation leads to desired outcomes from marketing efforts.
I know they all one to blame even they control government
At the end of the day it's what capitalism is best at maximizing efficiency, and externalizing the risks to someone else.
Friend of mine is a contractor for NASA who has been trained as a parts engineer for sourcing and testing electronic components that go into satellites and spacecrafts will be out of a job in a few months as her entire branch is eliminating all contractor positions.
Now she has a specialized skillset that isn't very readily transferable to other local companies and industries.
Sucks. Can't imagine she's the only one from NASA facing this crisis.
There are still maybe one or two cool jobs left at NASA like controlling the Voyager software. But I imagine everyone else at NASA who respects themselves would have left for SpaceX a long time ago, rather than waiting for Trump to incentivize their retirement. Half of all revenue collected by the US federal government in 2024 (totaling $2565 billion) was given to retirees. Mostly middle class and government retirees. So this policy shift is very aligned with the US status quo, which is paying people to do nothing, rather than having them go through the motions of tilting at bureaucratic windmills trying to do something.
Even in this thread you see how pervasive the attitude is. I've seen several comments here so far talking about how the economic system isn't giving them enough money, but I've yet to see anyone here express a willingness to eat ramen, sleep in the trenches, get their hands dirty, and endure whatever pain and peril it takes if it grants the opportunity to help out getting things done with space exploration. Those are the kinds of people who create material abundance.
I just don't understand why this is something people would want.
The image is that for every scientist at Nasa there are countless administrators, HR ladies and diversity hires
Unless we get economic progress more equally spread this will get worse and worse.
Inequality, as measured by GINI has been falling both for the EU as a whole and within most European countries for decades now. The last decade in particular has seen declines in nearly all EU countries.
Taking the EU on average the last time it increased was in 2014 - which is to be expected as the 2013 expansion allowed a number of relatively poor countries into the union.
For individual countries, you can check the statistics here: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.POV.GINI
A few examples, I looked at Ireland in particular, and inequality has never been lower - the earliest statistics I could find is from the mid-1980s. Inequality peaked around 2000 for the UK and has declined hugely since then. France is more equal than it was in 2000 although the fall is less dramatic than that for the UK. Admittedly Germany has seen a slight rise since 2000 but Germany has also absorbed millions of very poor refugees in that time.
The US is an outlier globally - with rising inequality over the last few decades.
Slightly off-topic, this untrue claim of rising inequality in Europe is often presented without challenge and then used to justify some radical political solution. To my mind, it's using the same political "mind hack" that the the MAGA/alt-right in the USA have used (in this case concerning race, immigrants, global multilateralism, or social tolerance - "wokism" - in general).
For both, the veracity of the claims is apparently unimportant and uninteresting as long as the claim aligns with one's political orientation. The goal of these oft repeated untruths is to provoke indignation or anger - in order to drum up support for some radical political "solution".
Here is a German podcast on the high quality "Deutschlandfunk".
Headline: "Only the top four percent make it to the top in Germany."
> Despite political upheavals over the past 150 years, Germany's elites have remained the same. Sociologist Michael Hartmann criticizes the fact that only four percent of the population shapes the country. He calls for a quota of working-class children on executive boards.
Same with Germany's schools, my country has one of the worst records when it comes to mixing it up. Those who come from well-educated parents will become well-educated. Society is quite static.
Next, Germany puts the majority of the financial burden of financing the country on incomes from work. Income from capital, or much worse, inheritances, are not even considered, whenever the government needs to plug holes it's going to come from working income.
Also, the number of bad jobs, especially those where even many engineers don't work for the actual employer, but for companies that lend them out, has only risen decade by decade to absurd heights. Employers may claim that is to work around the strict labor laws, that they cannot just fire somebody they don't want, but that is an incomplete statement at best. The entire economy has gone away from stable long-term, even life jobs, to ever more insecure employment. That is part of why our birth-rate has just dropped to new record lows too, there is just too little security and too much uncertainty in one's live these days.
We are also terrible at providing housing, which also depresses the labor market because moving has become risky and costly, there just is no housing no matter where you go, and if you find something it's likely to be much more expensive than what you had.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/QIEN628BIS
If they believed Trump, they deserve everything they get. Sadly those who didn't believe didn't vote enough.
Is it a matter of "belief," or could it possibly be an optimal strategy to secure potentially two more Supreme Court nominations?
The feel good explanations are just that - feel good euphemisms. Acting on them failed in the past repeatedly. Politicians who tried to improve situation of these people were punished, repeatedly. Meanwhile, politicians acting in offensive and harmful way were rewarding even when they made lifes of their voters worst.
We really should stop projecting these good faith falsehoods when the are and were clearly false.
All I know is that the 1990s until now have been a bonanza for some people but increasingly difficult for many others. I blame this on the financialization of our economy, with housing policy in America’s coastal metro areas definitely not helping (municipalities restrict supply through zoning and other mechanisms, and the financialization of our economy only exacerbated matters by pouring gasoline on the demand side). This is a failure of our leadership class; I’m not just talking about politicians, but I’m talking about our wealthy, our corporate executives, and even ourselves when we have positions of influence. Collectively the leadership of our country has chosen maximizing their own material benefit at the expense of maintaining a livable society. The result is anger due to Americans increasly having a harder time just getting by while our “leadership” keeps adding to their power and wealth.
Due to anger over establishment politicians, the Republican Party has been completely captured by MAGA, and the Democratic Party has a very vocal left wing that came close to winning the 2016 primary and was a serious contender in 2020.
Unfortunately Trump on a good day is far more destructive than Clinton, both Bushes, Obama, and Biden on their worst days. Trump’s neo-mercantilist economic policies won’t bring prosperity, but unfortunately his stance on “culture war” matters have resonated with large swaths of the American electorate; we’ve long had problems with racism, xenophobia, religious bigotry, anti-intellectualism, and other related issues since the colonial era.
Moreover, despite Trump’s promises in 2016 to “drain the swamp,” Trump is backed by many prominent billionaires and other influential and powerful people. Trump is not a one-man operation; he would have no power without an entire apparatus of GOP politicians and a stacked Supreme Court.
The only thing keeping Trump’s popularity afloat is his relentless attacks on “enemies” of MAGA, such as immigrants, scientists, universities, unflattering media outlets, Democratic politicians, etc. But eventually the fallout of his reckless policies will trickle down to Trump voters in the form of higher prices for goods and services, and either when Trump runs out of enemies or when the MAGA base gets crushed by the weight of high prices and are looking for answers, what are Trump and MAGA politicians going to do?
Unfortunately I don’t see any easy solutions. A return to the pre-2017 status quo ante is only going to lead to the same leadership that led to such anger in the first place. However, staying the course is definitely going to lead to a crash. The solution is going to need to come from the people, but it’s hard for average people in America to compete against systems that entrench the power of our two-party system and that require massive amounts of money to effectively compete. There are no easy ways out of this mess.
hope the best for them
What is being cut is otherwise a symptom of the budget deficit (7%) and the fact that politically they cut areas where there are not republican votes, as politicians obviously try to maintain their voter base as a consideration in their decisions.
Note historically a criticism of the original lunar mission was that USA diverted funds from hospitals and other public programs to fund the mission. So some were bitter despite the triumph.
It goes back to the fundamental conundrum. You have a back of corn. Do you plant the corn, or eat the corn? If AI delivers for America (planting the corn) and USA lands on Mars, these 4k NASA employees will not dwell in the public imagination despite our respect for their commitment, skill and service.
Last time, USA was behind in space race and they didn’t just use what they already had to go to the moon, instead they started a huge movement that inspired and educated generations of scientist and engineers. this redeemed all the issues with cutting services from other places to go to the moon.
This time around, it looks like a desperate attempt to do something that worked in the past and looks impressive on face value, but it’s actually empty inside.
Last time, huge number of people were provided with resources and education that had outstanding impact on America, much much more than the act of landing on the moon did by itself.
This time you get resources directed to a generation of hateful people and sex offenders who use the already available technology to produce a show.
> "This mirrors the political, prestige, and technology triumph of the Kennedy administration"
Trump may have said "before my term ends"; what JFK said was "before this decade is out".
IMHO, this is like a diametric opposite of Richard M. Nixon landing on the moon, two presidencies after Kennedy (and of opposite party); acting for Americans' obvious shared interests (not personal vanity); being the final link in an unbroken chain of sustained, stable governance. We've lost the capacity for greatness of that era. We don't have that, that chain of stable governance in service of national interests; what we have is an attention-deficient narcissist, capriciously destroying every great American thing that exists which doesn't have name attached.
(Ironically, the thing Kennedy so fervently competed against no longer exists today. That fearsome adversary, the triumph of Sputnik and Gagarin, was also demolished in this century by a Trump-like figure, spouting vapid promises of greatness as he vandaled and looted it to the ground).
It's really sad how our NASA funding is the lowest it's been since 1961.
https://www.planetary.org/articles/nasa-2026-budget-proposal...
I'm so sick of the not only incompetent leadership in the U.S., but the literal anti-science stance our government has taken. We're 6 months into this nightmare, I really can't see how it can get worse.
the only working part of cape canaveral was whatever spy satellites they needed to launch.
thankfully spaceX does a pretty good job and while I wish it was still nasa leading the globe in space travel, the main decline of our era is unwieldy bureaucracy and not even nasa could figure out how to run a profit despite a monopoly.
I think the thinking that government body is not for profit is misleading since you want a bit of independence in terms on financial budget
see what happen when government change stance, NASA hiring and firing depends on political mood at the point
having an profitable business wouldn't make NASA cut the job if government decide to cut the budget
USAID was probably a stronghold of Dem voters, but what about the Dept. of Agriculture, or the Forest Service?