The genocide by RSF in Darfur is appealing. This should also be splashed across the front pages of newspapers and leading TV bulletins too, however, that genocide is relegated to a half paragraph mention tucked away on page 29 if you're lucky.
like_any_other · 4h ago
> genocide denotes the killing of people as members of a group, geared at irreparably destroying the group itself so that it would never be able to reconstitute itself as a political, social or cultural entity.
I'm glad to see the right to nationhood recognized, instead of being dismissed in favor of individualism. Now to see if this recognition will be evenly applied.
DaveZale · 3h ago
please explain.
Gaza has been destroyed. So which country do you refer to? The whole of Israel was formerly Palestine.
And the nyt article infers that the creation of Israel was a reaction to a previous genocide. That is false. It was plotted since the 19th century.
tguvot · 3h ago
Could you please show me maps of this formerly Palestine (state?) ? Because I don't remember one
DaveZale · 2h ago
never forget!
Isn't that the rallying cry?
You know how to search. Find the map. Know the history.
Israeli soldiers are killing not only others but themselves. We have to know the truth, otherwise we're all just lost at sea without a compass, or even a map.
tguvot · 2h ago
first comment on your link: What's important to remember is that at this point (as in prior to 1948) both Jews and Arabs were referred to as Palestinians since it was the common name for the region
besides this i am not sure what exactly this map supposed to show. 30 years before that this area was called "province syria palestina" and was part of ottoman empire for hundreds of years
nick_ · 13m ago
Quick question: what are Arabs who live in Israel called?
tguvot · 3m ago
i recently read paper on their self identification. Rather recent. iirc split is something like:
- Israeli Arabs : 30%-40%
- Palestinian Arabs: 30%-40%
- Palestinians: 10%-15%
- Christian Arabs: 5%-10%
- Etc : 5%
Those who live in west bank have more permutations of identities, with some of them mostly identifying with their clan or religion
Surely this question was not asked in earnest. You’ll say that this colonial possession was not a “state,” as though it had a different status than the other mandates and British colonies that turned into states during the 20th century.
dlubarov · 1h ago
"The whole of Israel was formerly Palestine" was rather ambiguous. If the poster meant "The whole of Israel was formerly Mandatory Palestine", then okay that's accurate, but it seemed like the idea was to draw a connection to what we now call the Palestinian people or the State of Palestine. Mandatory Palestine was a very different entity which governed a more diverse group of people.
tguvot · 2h ago
it was as earnest as statement that all of it "formerly Palestine". it was mandatory area that included also transjordan.
DaveZale · 5h ago
What is this Israeli "self-censorship" claim? BS. Haaretz publishes plenty about the atrocities in progress. Far more than the American media dares to publish.
The editorial scrutiny here is minimal at best.
ciconia · 1h ago
Haaretz is the only mainstream media to report regularly on Palestinian casualties. It has a readership of less than 5% [1].
I'm glad to see the right to nationhood recognized, instead of being dismissed in favor of individualism. Now to see if this recognition will be evenly applied.
Gaza has been destroyed. So which country do you refer to? The whole of Israel was formerly Palestine.
And the nyt article infers that the creation of Israel was a reaction to a previous genocide. That is false. It was plotted since the 19th century.
Isn't that the rallying cry?
You know how to search. Find the map. Know the history.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/12s6lq5/this_map_o... from Natgeo
Israeli soldiers are killing not only others but themselves. We have to know the truth, otherwise we're all just lost at sea without a compass, or even a map.
besides this i am not sure what exactly this map supposed to show. 30 years before that this area was called "province syria palestina" and was part of ottoman empire for hundreds of years
- Israeli Arabs : 30%-40%
- Palestinian Arabs: 30%-40%
- Palestinians: 10%-15%
- Christian Arabs: 5%-10%
- Etc : 5%
Those who live in west bank have more permutations of identities, with some of them mostly identifying with their clan or religion
Surely this question was not asked in earnest. You’ll say that this colonial possession was not a “state,” as though it had a different status than the other mandates and British colonies that turned into states during the 20th century.
The editorial scrutiny here is minimal at best.
[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_Israel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Israel
Pressure, intimidation, and censorship: Israeli journalists have faced growing repression in the past year https://rsf.org/en/pressure-intimidation-and-censorship-isra...
It's wartime, so censorship is publicly asknowledged there.
I might add that journalists in Gaza are often killed.