That’s one way to push generally law abiding, tax paying people into the black market where they won’t pay taxes, and have a higher likelihood of dabbling in criminal enterprise.
drstewart · 1m ago
What other regulations do you think people should get to avoid under threat of not paying their taxes if forced to follow them?
gjsman-1000 · 7m ago
The goal is to force self-deportation. Whether this will be successful is too early to say.
Perfect way to fill up the for-profit prisons and get that unpaid workforce that will replace all the migrants.
criddell · 5m ago
Do the feds still use for-profit prisons?
delusional · 14m ago
Republicans would argue they are already dabbling in "criminal enterprise" by having trouble with ICE. You might then argue that "but they haven't been convicted" which is true, but you also know the republicans don't agree with that either.
_petronius · 8m ago
Being undocumented is a civil offense, not a criminal one. The distinction is relevant, and important.
caseysoftware · 2m ago
US Code appears to disagree:
(a)Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
Honestly why are any of us paying taxes? The probability of future IRS enforcement has never been lower than it is right now.
nerevarthelame · 4m ago
The IRS can audit a failure to file taxes without any time restriction. So if you think there's a decent chance that the US will ever again have a president that desires a functioning government, you should probably pay your taxes.
kevingadd · 12m ago
Beyond that, as we gradually slide towards having zero political representation and near-zero actual human rights, it becomes more and more questionable what we're getting for our tax dollars. The contract between the taxpayer and the government is being eroded.
xnx · 15m ago
Worth reminding that the ICE budget is expanding to $28 billion. This is bigger than the budget of the FBI and DEA combined.
Where do they find so many people to work for ICE in this short time?
mindslight · 7m ago
"3 5 0 1 2 5 Go!" was not meant to be taken this literally.
duxup · 36m ago
ICE just seems to be a setup for "federal personal thugs".
We've seen them now threatening not just American citizens, other politicians, judges. ICE has been given instructions to simply go operate on their own without direction to "find" people.
The laws surroundings them are surprisingly forgiving / people have few protections. This step seems to just be to dump vast quantities of data they could just for anything they wish from departments that had rules for how they can use that data ... to a group that has few rules ...
sneak · 16m ago
They regularly imprison people for days, weeks, or months without trial that they know are US citizens.
epoxia · 12m ago
I would recommend reading Extreme Privacy by Michael Bazzell if these types of thing concern you. A relevant passage:
"First, I would never provide my home address on any application or W-9 form. This should only be your PO Box, UPS Box, or PMB address. Your employer likely does not care much about where you live, unless the job has residency requirements, such as a police officer. The IRS does not object to the use of a mail box address. They just want their money."
duxup · 9m ago
This feels like one of those bits of security tips / infotainment that IRL provides no value.
0xEF · 5m ago
It just adds an extra step that keeps the general public away from your PII. The post office knows who owns that PO box and where that person actually lives. A simple subpoena makes that information available to whatever arm of enforcement needs it.
kevingadd · 11m ago
Does this work in practice? Historically my actual residence is needed for tax reasons, i.e. properly tracking what state I owe income tax in for cash compensation and stock options.
jlongr · 8m ago
No. What he's describing is like covering your face with your hands and thinking that you're invisible.
duxup · 8m ago
Yeah I don't see how this works. Got a mortgage, you're going to report info that lead them to your financial institution who knows the address and so on. Insurance, any other financial service that did some data checks / credit checks.
I don't buy into the idea that you can magically hide your home address, this info is already out.
Izkata · 2m ago
A step further, homeowners are public information. You can even look up the records online for free on county treasurer websites.
Amfy · 9m ago
get a PMB in your state (or county even). You'll be surprised how many PMBs exist
noman-land · 7m ago
What is a PMB?
khuey · 6m ago
Private Mail Box (i.e. a PO Box like product at your local UPS store/etc).
wnevets · 22m ago
Is this why Elon killed the free direct tax filing?
kevingadd · 10m ago
IIRC the free tax filing thing being killed is just classic lobbying, the owners of Intuit and other paid tax filing companies have myriad political connections and spend a lot of money to protect their interests.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/27/immigrants-s...
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/06/self-de...
(a)Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
Ref: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/12/us/politics/ice-expansion...
We've seen them now threatening not just American citizens, other politicians, judges. ICE has been given instructions to simply go operate on their own without direction to "find" people.
The laws surroundings them are surprisingly forgiving / people have few protections. This step seems to just be to dump vast quantities of data they could just for anything they wish from departments that had rules for how they can use that data ... to a group that has few rules ...
"First, I would never provide my home address on any application or W-9 form. This should only be your PO Box, UPS Box, or PMB address. Your employer likely does not care much about where you live, unless the job has residency requirements, such as a police officer. The IRS does not object to the use of a mail box address. They just want their money."
I don't buy into the idea that you can magically hide your home address, this info is already out.