Bubbles considered harmful. To give one side in a debate a greater benefit of the doubt than the other is a long term benefit to the one that gets more criticism to grow from and adapt to. Challenging your own side when they're wrong is often loyalty misinterpreted as betrayal.
JohnFen · 17h ago
The entire idea that people should be "loyal" to a "side" is bankrupt from the start. Tribalism drags everybody down.
msgodel · 17h ago
You should be loyal to people and ready to throw away ideas quickly. People are what matter, false ideas have negative value.
JohnFen · 17h ago
Exactly so, depending on what you mean by "loyal". If "my side" is espousing nonsense, then the sort of loyalty that says I shouldn't push back against the nonsense (or, worse, that I should support or defend them in actions I think are wrong) is toxic.
msgodel · 17h ago
Yes, I'd argue failing to correct the ones you care about is a kind of dereliction. Loyalty to them means patiently arguing.
Of course you might be the one who's incorrect. That's what I meant by "you should be ready to throw away ideas quickly."
floxy · 16h ago
I wonder what the oldest known example of "Well, actually..." is? "Quod scripsi, scripsi" comes to mind.
Of course you might be the one who's incorrect. That's what I meant by "you should be ready to throw away ideas quickly."