8 of the top 10 universities by global research output are Chinese. The lone American university just had all of it's government contracts and federal funding frozen or withdrawn.
This is a very simple move that can be reversed quickly, but it's going to have a generational impact that will never be undone. I couldn't come up with a single worse decision at the most inopportune time if you asked me to.
I guess now is a good time to plug the China Scholarship Council, which is seeing record highs of foreign students studying in China. The Chinese government is paying foreigners to get degrees in China, waiving tuition and providing stipends.
> 8 of the top 10 universities by global research output are Chinese.
Having been in academia before, I don't see this as meaningful (quantity vs quality). But it is just as much as not meaningful for American universities.
The biggest problem with Chinese universities is that they mostly teach classes in Chinese, so you have to become fluent in Chinese first, which takes around one or two years of intensive Chinese study.
And branch campuses...you need to avoid those. Harbin Institute of Technology in Shenzhen is probably not going to be the same thing as studying at HIT in Harbin (and aren't all of the institute of tech universities run by the PLA?). Focus on top schools only: Guangdong, Zhongshan (sun yat-sen) University is pretty good, Shanghai Jiaotong and Fudan in Shanghai, PKU/Tsinghua in Beijing, the science and tech one in Hefei, etc...if you are a foreign student and work your way up from their language program your chances should be OK (but my experience is 20+ years out of date so who knows).
TrackerFF · 20h ago
All Chinese students?
Whether the threat (Chinese students in the US being a risk) is real or not, it will absolutely be devastating for US research programs. So many research groups at US universities are pretty much only Chinese Ph.D students doing the heavy lifting.
This is very disturbing, and could do irrevocable damage to US academia and high-end R&D. China is also becoming more appealing for Chinese students to just stay home, I feel like this will drive the final nail in the US being a destination of mutually beneficial opportunity.
Notes: a lot of top students are invited to join the CPC, or even pressured into it (you are head of the class, you need to do this!). And sensitive fields...that probably includes computer science.
cvhc · 1d ago
My US visa has been revoked long ago. But I'm still flabbergasted by the blatant threatening and discrimination. What's next? EO #14XXX Chinese Exclusion?
thowaway7564902 · 1d ago
Here's the official source
> Under President Trump’s leadership, the U.S. State Department will work with the Department of Homeland Security to aggressively revoke visas for Chinese students, including those with connections to the Chinese Communist Party or studying in critical fields. We will also revise visa criteria to enhance scrutiny of all future visa applications from the People’s Republic of China and Hong Kong.
My takeaway is that by leaving it open with the word "including" the scope is a superset encompassing potentially all Chinese nationals, beyond the usual red scare and theft accusations.
8 of the top 10 universities by global research output are Chinese. The lone American university just had all of it's government contracts and federal funding frozen or withdrawn.
This is a very simple move that can be reversed quickly, but it's going to have a generational impact that will never be undone. I couldn't come up with a single worse decision at the most inopportune time if you asked me to.
I guess now is a good time to plug the China Scholarship Council, which is seeing record highs of foreign students studying in China. The Chinese government is paying foreigners to get degrees in China, waiving tuition and providing stipends.
https://www.cucas.cn/china_scholarship/, https://www.cucas.cn/china_scholarship/
Having been in academia before, I don't see this as meaningful (quantity vs quality). But it is just as much as not meaningful for American universities.
The biggest problem with Chinese universities is that they mostly teach classes in Chinese, so you have to become fluent in Chinese first, which takes around one or two years of intensive Chinese study.
And branch campuses...you need to avoid those. Harbin Institute of Technology in Shenzhen is probably not going to be the same thing as studying at HIT in Harbin (and aren't all of the institute of tech universities run by the PLA?). Focus on top schools only: Guangdong, Zhongshan (sun yat-sen) University is pretty good, Shanghai Jiaotong and Fudan in Shanghai, PKU/Tsinghua in Beijing, the science and tech one in Hefei, etc...if you are a foreign student and work your way up from their language program your chances should be OK (but my experience is 20+ years out of date so who knows).
Whether the threat (Chinese students in the US being a risk) is real or not, it will absolutely be devastating for US research programs. So many research groups at US universities are pretty much only Chinese Ph.D students doing the heavy lifting.
Not if their Phd is on Bitcoin
"Chinese entrepreneur sued for fraud invests $30 million in Trump crypto venture" - https://abcnews.go.com/US/chinese-entrepreneur-sued-fraud-in...
Notes: a lot of top students are invited to join the CPC, or even pressured into it (you are head of the class, you need to do this!). And sensitive fields...that probably includes computer science.
> Under President Trump’s leadership, the U.S. State Department will work with the Department of Homeland Security to aggressively revoke visas for Chinese students, including those with connections to the Chinese Communist Party or studying in critical fields. We will also revise visa criteria to enhance scrutiny of all future visa applications from the People’s Republic of China and Hong Kong.
https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20...