Can anyone provide a reason an enterprise would choose Grok over a similar class of models?
vasusen · 2m ago
We considered it for generating ruthless critiques of UI/UX ("product roast" feature). Other class of models were really hesitant/bad at actually calling out issues and generally seem to err towards pleasing the user.
Here's a simple example I tried just now. Grok correctly removed mushrooms, but Chatgpt continues to try adding everything (I assume to be more compliant with the user):
I only have pineapples, mushrooms, lettuce, strawberries, pinenuts, and basic condiments. What salad can I make that's yummy?
Finally, I can use Microsoft's cloud to generate Zerohedge comments.
> They also come with additional data integration, customization, and governance capabilities not necessarily offered by xAI through its API.
Maybe we'll see a "Grok you can take to parties" come out of this.
jampa · 2h ago
Honestly, Grok's technology is not impressive at all, and I wonder why anyone would use it:
- Gemini is state-of-the-art for most tasks
- ChatGPT has the best image generation
- Claude is leading in coding solutions
- Deepseek is getting old but it is open-source
- Qwen has impressive lightweight models.
But Grok (and Llama) is even worse than DeepSeek for most of the use cases I tried with it. The only thing it has going for is money behind its infamous founders. Other than that, their existence would be barely acknowledged.
dilap · 2h ago
I like it! For me it has replaced Sonnet (3.5 at the time, but 3.7 doesn't seem better to me, from my brief tests) for general web usage -- fast, the ability to query x nee twitter is very nice, & I find the code it produces tends to be a bit better than Sonnet. (Though perhaps that depends a lot on the domain...I'm doing mostly C# in Unity.)
For tough queries o3 is unmatched in my experience.
t1amat · 10m ago
Llama is arguably the reason open weight LLM’s are a thing, with the leak of Llama 1 and subsequent release of Llama 2. Llama 3 was a huge push for quality, size, context length, and multi-modality. Llama 4 Maverick is clearly better than it looks if a fine tune can put it at the top of LMArena human preferences leaderboard.
Grok 3 mini is quite a decent agentic model and competitive with frontier models at a fraction of the cost; see livebench.ai.
Zambyte · 6m ago
The only interesting thing about Grok is using it hooked up to the X firehose to query about events in real time. Unfortunately it sucks at that.
ls612 · 23m ago
Before the release of Gemini 2.5 Grok 3 was the best coding AI IME, especially when you used reasoning. It also complained the least about things you asked it to do. Gemini for instance still won’t tell you how to use yt-dlp.
drozycki · 14m ago
Gemini gave me a yt-dlp command two weeks ago without complaining. Can you share your log to compare?
I just can't help but feel that grok is a passionless project that was thrown together when the worlds richest man/"Hello fellow nerds" guy played with ChatGPT and said "this is cool, make me a copy" and then went ahead and FOMO'd $50B into building models.
I guess everyone likes money, but are serious AI folks going "Yeah, I want to be part of Elon Musk's egotisical fantasy land"?
wormlord · 3h ago
The desire to be "centrist" on HN is perplexing to me.
The fact that Elon, a white south african, made his AI go crazy by adding some text about "white genocide", is factual and should be taken into consideration if you want to have an honest discussion about ethics in tech. Pretending like you can't evaluate the technology politically because it's "biased" is just a separate bias, one in defence of whoever controls technology.
reverendsteveii · 2h ago
"Centrism" and "being unbiased" are are denotatively meaningless terms, but they have strong positive connotation so anything you do can be in service to "eliminating bias" if your PR department spins it strongly enough and anything that makes you look bad "promotes bias" and is therefore wrong. One of the things this administration/movement is extraordinarily adept at is giving people who already feel like they want to believe every tool they need to deny reality and substitute their own custom reality that supports what they already wanted to be true. Being able to say "That's just fake news. Everyone is biased." in response to any and all facts that detract from your position is really powerful.
ActorNightly · 2h ago
Centrism is just another word for right wing these days, or the most charitable interpretation - "not knowing enough about politics"
If you look at the bookends of the political spectrum, most Democrats are pretty centrist these days compared to the far left people that want actual socialism, and the current administration that is pretty much authoritarian at this point.
fallingknife · 2h ago
Aren't you just evaluating these claims based on things you've heard from biased sources (which is all of them) too? How do you know that your biased perspective is any more correct than Grok's bias?
wormlord · 2h ago
How do I know the earth didn't spontaneously appear into existence yesterday? This line of argumentation is stupid.
ActorNightly · 2h ago
>which is all of them
Anyone who holds this belief can not answer this question without sounding like a massive hypocrite: "where do you get factual information about the world".
Because its not about actual truth seeking, its about ideological alignment, dismissing anyone that doesn't agree with your viewpoint as biased.
fallingknife · 1h ago
LLMs can't truth seek. They simply do not have that capability as they have no ability to directly observe the real world. They must rely on what they are told, and to them the "truth" is the thing they are told most often. I think you would agree this is a very bad truth algorithm. This is much the same as I have no ability (without great inconvenience) to directly observe the situation in SA. This means I am stuck in the same position as an LLM. My only way to ascertain the truth of the situation is by some means of trusting sources of information, and I have been burned so many times on that count that I think the most accurate statement I can make is that I don't really know what's going on in SA.
ActorNightly · 22m ago
Im more referring to the fact that you refer to any source of information as a biased source, saying that LLMS can be accurate if they don't agree with the narrative.
SimianSci · 3h ago
As someone developing agents using LLMs on various platform, im very reluctant to use anything associated with xAI.
Grok's training data is increasingly pulled from an increasingly toxic source.
Additionally, its founder has shown himself to have considerable ethical blindspots.
Ive got enough second-order effects to be wary of. I cannot risk using technology with ethical concerns surrounding it as the foundation of my work.
downrightmike · 2h ago
"ethical blindspots" That is all on purpose, he sees them, and decides they matter less than his opinion.
tempodox · 2h ago
You self-selected out of the target audience, but what will the adepts of white supremacy and racism do when they want to build a product with an LLM? They will buy Grok, Musk just got a ton of “free advertising” for it.
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nomel · 2h ago
> Grok's training data is increasingly pulled from an increasingly toxic source.
> "xAI and X's futures are intertwined," Musk, who also heads automaker Tesla and SpaceX, wrote in a post on X: "Today, we officially take the step to combine the data, models, compute, distribution and talent."
ActorNightly · 2h ago
Probably the recent shenanigans about holocaust denial-ism being blamed on a "programming error".
iJohnDoe · 49m ago
Truly a shame that Microsoft would align or partner with Grok or anything to do with Elon Musk. Microsoft needs to show the world they have better principles than this.
epa · 3h ago
Disappointed in the HN community for the initial comments in this thread. Hoping the mods can help set a higher benchmark for community discussion than just rabble-rousing on the founder instead of focus on the technology. Do better team.
SimianSci · 3h ago
Technology cannot be wholly divorced from its ethical considerations.
If a technology's founder has a multitude of ethical blindspots and has shown a willingness to modify such technology to suit his own desires, it is something which should be noted, discussed, and considered.
As professionals, it is absolutely crucial that we discuss matters of ethics. One of which is the issue of an unethical founder.
epa · 26m ago
Do better.
throw123xz · 43m ago
The founder is very hands on and in the context of the recent "issues" xAI experienced, which happens to match some of the founder's political views, any discussion about xAI has to touch on Musk.
You having issues with any criticism of Musk is a bit weird though. I'm not going to say that the moderators should be better, but it's also disappointing to see some users always jumping in to defend Musk when his companies, products and actions (via DOGE, for example) are criticized.
dawnerd · 3h ago
No, we shouldn't be allowing a pro genocide, white supremacist run LLM period.
mjcl · 3h ago
The technology couldn't stop talking about white genocide for hours.
tastyface · 2h ago
Fruit of the poisonous tree. A technology with such such startling propaganda potential as AI cannot be disentangled from the whims of its oligarch owners — unless a strict legal firewall is in place.
Schools are already starting to *teach* that the 2020 election was stolen. How much longer until one of these AIs starts parroting the same lies, and in a more convincing way than Musk’s half-assed prompt injection?
I asked it about a paper I was looking at (SLOG [0]) and it basically lost the context of what "slog" referred to after 3 prompts.
1. I asked for an example transaction illustrating the key advantages of the SLOG approach. It responded with some general DB transaction stuff.
2. I then said "no use slog like we were talking about" and then it gave me a golang example using the log/slog package
Even without the weird political things around Grok, it just isn't that good.
[0] https://www.vldb.org/pvldb/vol12/p1747-ren.pdf
Here's a simple example I tried just now. Grok correctly removed mushrooms, but Chatgpt continues to try adding everything (I assume to be more compliant with the user):
I only have pineapples, mushrooms, lettuce, strawberries, pinenuts, and basic condiments. What salad can I make that's yummy?
Grok: Pineapple-Strawberry Salad with Lettuce and Pine Nuts - https://x.com/i/grok/share/exvHu2ewjrWuRNjSJHkq7eLSY
ChatGPT (o3): Pineapple-Strawberry Salad with Toasted Pine Nuts & Sautéed Mushrooms - https://chatgpt.com/share/682b9987-9394-8011-9e55-15626db78b...
> They also come with additional data integration, customization, and governance capabilities not necessarily offered by xAI through its API.
Maybe we'll see a "Grok you can take to parties" come out of this.
- Gemini is state-of-the-art for most tasks
- ChatGPT has the best image generation
- Claude is leading in coding solutions
- Deepseek is getting old but it is open-source
- Qwen has impressive lightweight models.
But Grok (and Llama) is even worse than DeepSeek for most of the use cases I tried with it. The only thing it has going for is money behind its infamous founders. Other than that, their existence would be barely acknowledged.
For tough queries o3 is unmatched in my experience.
Grok 3 mini is quite a decent agentic model and competitive with frontier models at a fraction of the cost; see livebench.ai.
https://g.co/gemini/share/638562c1a8f4
I guess everyone likes money, but are serious AI folks going "Yeah, I want to be part of Elon Musk's egotisical fantasy land"?
The fact that Elon, a white south african, made his AI go crazy by adding some text about "white genocide", is factual and should be taken into consideration if you want to have an honest discussion about ethics in tech. Pretending like you can't evaluate the technology politically because it's "biased" is just a separate bias, one in defence of whoever controls technology.
If you look at the bookends of the political spectrum, most Democrats are pretty centrist these days compared to the far left people that want actual socialism, and the current administration that is pretty much authoritarian at this point.
Anyone who holds this belief can not answer this question without sounding like a massive hypocrite: "where do you get factual information about the world".
Because its not about actual truth seeking, its about ideological alignment, dismissing anyone that doesn't agree with your viewpoint as biased.
Ive got enough second-order effects to be wary of. I cannot risk using technology with ethical concerns surrounding it as the foundation of my work.
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What's this in reference to?
> "xAI and X's futures are intertwined," Musk, who also heads automaker Tesla and SpaceX, wrote in a post on X: "Today, we officially take the step to combine the data, models, compute, distribution and talent."
As professionals, it is absolutely crucial that we discuss matters of ethics. One of which is the issue of an unethical founder.
You having issues with any criticism of Musk is a bit weird though. I'm not going to say that the moderators should be better, but it's also disappointing to see some users always jumping in to defend Musk when his companies, products and actions (via DOGE, for example) are criticized.
Schools are already starting to *teach* that the 2020 election was stolen. How much longer until one of these AIs starts parroting the same lies, and in a more convincing way than Musk’s half-assed prompt injection?