Confessions about my smart home

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iFred · 1h ago
I feel like a kindred soul of sorts with this author.

I’m on my fourth iteration of a smart home setup with HA. Depression, neglect, a feeling that I need to burn it all down and restart, and depression again were all extinction level events for my setup. At one point I had meticulous Grafana dashboards worthy of a Golden Grot that could tell you the concentration of CO2, the pressure waves from the Tonga eruption, a map of Puget Sound gas prices, and other bits and bobs. I had dozens of Airthings sensors, plant sensors, ZWave temp sensors, three weather stations, countless LIFX bulbs, all working in unison to give me a pulse on my house.

Then I had a bout of the existential sads and just stopped looking at the slack notifications when HA connected the dots between a spike in radon and a nearby earthquake. I stopped caring that the CO2 concentration in my office was over 750ppm, or that watering my plants in my office in the winter was contributing to increased particulate in the air. Because I wasn’t listening to the interesting stuff, I stopped listening to the important stuff- alerts about failed drives, dying batteries, and broken updates.

Not caring felt so freeing. I didn’t start things up again until a few months later when I realized I wanted something cool to show in an interview. The cycle started anew.

firecall · 21m ago
I can relate to that!

The existential depression cycles that make me wonder why I’m even bothering to do the things that used to bring me joy, or at least keep me occupied, are exhausting.

atoav · 5m ago
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ipv6ipv4 · 2h ago
That the lead engineer of Home Assistant (HA) doesn't have an actual functioning HA setup, because he likes tinkering apparently, explains a lot about why HA is so awful to use for anyone who doesn't want to pick it up as a constant tinkering hobby.
baq · 45m ago
Au contraire set and forget is what HA excels at… if you can stop yourself from tinkering.

The most useful automations are very simple: turn on some lights around sunset, turn off radiators when windows are open, etc.

atoav · 2m ago
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iforgotpassword · 48m ago
Huh, I've been using HA for over a year. The only issue I had was the very first version I was on sometimes stopped firing timers. It was fixed in the next release. Since then, I occasionally add or change an automation as I see fit, other than that it's working the way it's supposed to. Doesn't mean I have a wishlist, but everything else I looked at seemed more complicated and technical.
starky · 33m ago
This is pretty much my experience. Depending on what I'm setting up it can be different levels of pain, but other than adding a device or reorganizing my dashboard on occasion the majority of my setup is unchanged from when I first set it up and automated a couple things.
californical · 1h ago
Yeah, as someone who will soon be starting some basic smart home configurations, this whole article reads like “why not to use HA”.

I want a system so reliable that I can completely forget it exists. I have been leaning towards setting up a few basic automations with Apple Home and calling it good, since it seems like the Apple version can handle simple things like “turn on the lights at 8pm for 3 hours when I’m out of town” or “open the blinds when my morning alarm rings”. Other than that, probably don’t need a ton of smartness besides grouping things into zones that can be turned on/off together

anon7000 · 35m ago
This is exactly what HA has been for me. I had several smart bulbs on Apple HomeKit which were… unreliable to say the least. After switching everything to Home Assistant as the main brains, it’s been rock solid, and a LOT faster. I even have an Apple TV which should have helped HomeKit be better.

You can still use Apple’s automations to do stuff in HomeKit. I mean all the rooms & devices “just show up” in Apple HomeKit seamlessly. “Siri, bedroom off” works perfectly with no setup, for example.

Apple home is ok, but automations / iOS shortcuts are unfortunately extremely difficult to write unless they’re very simple. As a technical user, it’s nice to have the option to do something deeper if I want. But the biggest problem for me was the reliability, even for bulbs allegedly fully supported by HomeKit.

I originally only set HA up to bridge in non-homekit devices (like my Govee LEDs), which is also a good use case for HA.

I’ve been fiddling with my smart home less than ever now that HA is set up.

ipv6ipv4 · 1h ago
If you want to enjoy the adventure I can't recommend Lutron Caseta switches enough. They are rock solid and work independently of any smart home setup (for when the smart home inevitably fails). I don't like smart bulbs but if you prefer them, Philips Hue is widely loved, as far as I can tell.

Whatever you do, don't skimp on the lighting smart devices. It usually ends in tears.

ewoodrich · 46m ago
The fact that this guy is running four separate Home Assistant instances should make it pretty clear that this experience far from the normal use case. My automations for lighting and other "core" stuff is rock solid, the fun tinkering with ESP 32 stuff less so but that's because it's really an extension of my electronics hobby.
octo888 · 46m ago
I'm wondering if it would be better just to create Home Assistant Simulator, the game
Aurornis · 1h ago
> At one point, that kitchen light automation reached over 700 lines of YAML Now you know why it's broken

> If I had to count, I’d guess I have maybe 15 working automations across all my half-baked instances. That's it.

There is a big home automation channel in one of the Slacks I’m in.

It has been a running theme for years that people get Home Assistant, start trying to automate everything, frustrate their families, and then get forced to de-automate parts of the house because everyone around them is so fed up with it.

The endless debugging and tinkering is only fun for the person doing it, not the test subjects dealing with it. Even the tinkering gets old after a while and people end up with half-baked automations that they just live with, vowing to get back to it some day when the spark returns.

iforgotpassword · 42m ago
Imo that's people trying to be too clever with the automation, inevitably resulting in situations where you'd want different behavior to your "smart" automation.

I did that too in the very beginning but soon realized that you need subtle, non-intrusive rules that make your day ever so slightly more comfortable but don't get in your way if you do something unexpected.

The problem is that HA gives you a million possibilities while Google and apple don't, and most techies just fall for it and start over engineering the shit out of it only to annoy the rest of their family to no end and then getting rid of everything again.

pmlnr · 38m ago
I had to do home automation for FIR panels as the official solution had problems - writeup at https://petermolnar.net/article/herschel-fir-heating/index.h... - and used Domoticz. Never regretted it. I gave HA 3 runs, backed off each time.

At first, in the YAML era, because it was insanely hard to create heating automation (not HVAC, just heating).

Second when HA decided that their supported Python version was greater, than Debian Stable's and FreeBSD stable's Python version.

Third when it became near impossible to install manually, especially on something not linux, FreeBSD.

HA might be a great system when set up once and left alone, but nobody seems to be doing that.

viccis · 1h ago
The article has a lot of ChatGPT style and bloat, and seems like mostly an ad for the author's company, complete with some referral links in it to external merchants like Amazon.
isoprophlex · 1h ago
If the youtube-thumbnail-style header image with some douchebag showing An Emotion captioned in Bold Letters doesn't throw you off, the shitty LLM emphasize-emojify-and-whitespace bloat will.

The poor, dumbed down writing notwithstanding, it also takes forever to get to the point.

I didn't enjoy opening this adcrap.

Domenic_S · 1h ago
As soon as i saw "And honestly? They're all wrong." i knew chatgpt had done the heavy lifting
brandensilva · 1h ago
I can attest to getting overwhelmed with it.

There are some automations I've setup that I never have issues with. Perhaps my most reliable being around lights. Not surprising the hue lights work the best. Also my hardwired locally controlled garage doors

There are some that if the power goes out I gotta log back in. Cloud is often a pain.

If it isn't on my dashboard I forget about it.

I've talked to professional installers or resellers and found similar issues with control 4 and other systems so it isn't a unique problem to Home Assistant.

This stuff gets ugly because of how complicated it is to setup, deal with multiple protocols,lack of standards or too many standards, unreliable devices, breaking changes with updates and more.

zhouyisu · 1h ago
I have also tried to upgrade home lamps. But instead of "smart", I choose simplicity. Using MDNS (local network discovery protocol) and a minimal HTTP interface, I made lamps discoverable and controllable offline via a basic Android App. No central servers, subscriptions, or cloud dependencies.

The result is pure freedom. Setup: plug in and connect to Wifi, done. Control: install app, join home network, control lamps anywhere in the house. Automation: A lightweight, customizable app handles everything.

The app polls locally for available lamps, which works flawlessly for 5-10 devices.

Security might be a problem, but since everything lives behind a firewall, I’m comfortable with the tradeoff.

nikau · 1h ago
I did similar for my lights, I just have a cronjob on my router that runs "sunwait" utility to pause until sunset, then uses curl to hit the "power on" endpoint of my $15 sonoff switch flashed with tasmota.

Manual on/off is just a URL shortcut in my chrome bookmark bar.

Basic but does what I want, turns light on when it starts to get dark, and simple bookmark on my laptop and phone to toggle power on/off manually.

animal_spirits · 2h ago
Goodness I hope to never buy house someone used to hack into a smart home. I don't want to inherit anyones bugs or try to understand their mental framework for setting things up.
Negitivefrags · 1h ago
If you are going to inherit something, it's certainly a better position that they were using something open like Home Assistant than if they were using a bunch of proprietary / cloud based things.

At least you have the capability of getting things into a working state without the original owner, which may be impossible otherwise.

Now of course the best case scenario is when the "smartness" is only additive to the home, and not required for it.

In my case, if Home Assistant isn't working, the house just works like a normal house with all the wall switches functining as you would expect.

If I ever sold the house, I would give the new owner the Home Assistant instance, disable all my automations, but also tell them that I'm not going to help them at all with supporting it. The most likely scenario is that they wouldn't want to use it or care about it, but at least the house works just fine without it.

qwerpy · 1h ago
My house’s automation is pretty much additive but recently I’ve started getting more and more annoyed at the smart light switches. I bought a hodgepodge of switches from different manufacturers. They all work but have different amounts of delay and none of them have the determinism of a dumb switch that physically changes positions.

Someday in the far future when someone buys my house, the small but noticeable differences in light switch behavior is going to drive them crazy. I did keep all the original switches for the next owner, if they are motivated to swap them back in.

timc3 · 1h ago
Yeah I’ve been wondering what to do if I ever sell.

Unlike some others in this thread, the 350 devices I have don’t require too much maintenance (have to replace the odd light bulb, and I do some upgrades once a week), and work flawlessly most of the time. I also designed it so that it works without home assistant or any controller.

But what I am going to do - some of the zigbee lights are permanently fixed, but are on manual switches so I guess thats ok. But the irrigation system, some of the lighting systems which are switched automatically, the built in speakers and even the networking might be beneficial to stay.

Would probably have to do an audit and take a couple of days.

tehlike · 1h ago
I'd have hoped someone did at least somewhat of a decent job to wire the house with cat6. Could save so much time.
protocolture · 2h ago
I can 100% empathise with this.

I have HA, but I used it for a custom application that relies on some integrations with Home Automation stuff (Lights, Sensors)

As an accidental outgrowth of that I was also able to automate the lights to aid my child in keeping a good bedtime routine.

But its certainly not the reason I bought all the doohickeys.

myspy · 1h ago
Our house is completely dumb. I don‘t see a reason to automate what little can be done manually.